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No subject is so dangerous to address among White nationalists as the Christian religion.
Many Whites make a fundamental mistake when they portray new civil religions as part of an organized conspiracy of a small number of wicked people. In essence, civil religions are just secular transpositions of the Judeo-Christian monotheist mindset.
Christianity became thus a Universalist religion with a special mission to transform the Other into the Same. The seeds of egalitarianism—albeit on the religious, not yet on the secular level—were sown.
All of this quoting from dust-covered books of my small library that I had read long ago has to do with our hypothesis that the Jewish Problem can only be understood as the deranged altruism resulting from the secular fulfillment of universal Christian values, a point that most nationalists, especially the monocausalists,* find it too hard to digest:
Basic:
Pierce & Klassen:
Classic:
Julian the Apostate:
Overmen:
Contemporary:
Franklin Ryckaert on Christianity
White nationalists on Christianity
My 2 cents:
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* Monocausalism is the orthodox view in many white nationalist circles that Jewish influence in our civilization is the sole cause of the decline of whites. Monocausalists do not believe that there is a Christian problem or that whites, including atheists, agnostics or new agers, are inherently wired the wrong way as a result of the programming of Christian meta-ethics through the last millennia.
The Christian problem does not only refer to Christian values, but also to the moral grammar of what we are calling “secular Christians,” a group that could even include the anticlerical Jacobins. See the second entry linked above to clarify this apparently paradoxical issue.
From our viewpoint, allowing the Jews to take over our societies, a process that started right after the French revolutionaries emancipated them, is the primary infection —the “Christian / Secular Christian problem”— and Jewish depredations in our society, a secondary infection. (From this point of view the Islamization of Europe would be a tertiary infection.)
You fail to understand the relationship between power and ideas. It’s a trivial formality for elites to transform a society’s trajectory through adapting, reforming, and shifting the emphasis of the society’s memeplex. The shifting power dynamic of the elites are the tectonic plates and the attitudes and initiatives of the society are the mountains and valleys.
To blame or reward something as complex and monolithic as “Christianity” for anything is farcical. When the Catholic priesthood controlled society in collaboration with the nobility then you had a noble and pan-European Christianity which celebrated Rome. When the mercantile peasants rose to the fore, Christianity was politically castrated into a swarm of irrelevant Protestant denominations and all serious business occurred in the Lodge. At this late hour, Christianity compels us to invade Uganda and stabilize things to the point that we can open up some pipelines and set up some Burger King franchises there.
It’s not that ideas don’t matter. It’s just that the only ideas that really matter are ideas relating to the nature of power, metapolitics, and what Evola refers to as the “Occult War”. If you don’t get those ideas right, none of the rest of your ideas matter. As long as we have no martial, managerial, or mercantile power, our being correct and our influencing the process will remain little more than standing in a river splashing water upstream. To actually redirect the river requires terraforming. It requires understanding how mountains and valleys come to be, and controlling the landscape itself.
The overarching Christian memeplex and the more sturdy hierarchies are as fine of vehicles for the Restoration as any, and Jesus of Nazareth’s “Sermon on the Mount” is a clear and concise answer to the Jewish Question, the Capitalist Question, and every other question we’re faced with in this decadent and derelict age. It’s a primer for resisting corruption. If we had benevolent elites with true power who were as resistant to temptation and corruption as Christ and his early followers, then we would triumph over our enemies as decisively as he and they did.
The task before us is threefold: Raise up a benevolent elite, invest real power in that elite, ensure that elite is incorruptible. In the hands of elites who are neither fools nor scoundrels, universalism means honoring human dignity while respecting tribal and sovereign boundaries and identities. In the hands of elites who are neither fools nor scoundrels, the aspects of Christianity which you purport to be fatal will be no less fatal than they were before foolish and hostile elites fashioned them into ideological weapons against us.
Hey Matt, nice to see you here.
I know that item #2 is rather long, but have you really read at least the rest of them, I mean the remaining twelve? I mention this because the focus of my mind-expanding beyond monocausalism is secular Christianity, what Tom Sunic still calls liberalism.
I get your memeplex explanation and you’re right with the plate tectonics metaphor. Very lucid to explain metapolitics. I myself have thought of the river metaphor too many times in my soliloquies.
But I do believe that, following your metaphor, the “secular Christian” plate has been voluntarily being subducted by the secularists, moving under the Jewish tectonic plate and sinking into the Earth’s mantle for self-destruction, precisely due to its basic axiology of enforced universalism and egalitarianism.
In fact, what bothered me the most while reading Esau’s Tears, which recounts the rise of the Jews in the modern world, is how virtually all European Christians in the 19th century were paralyzed before their growing influence not because of the hypnotic powers of the tribe, but because their own morals and deranged sense of decency. (Only Hitler and his übermenschen would transvaluate such values in the following century, what we badly need today.)
And now that you said that Jesus’ disciples resisted corruption, I wonder if you have read what even in the times of Porphyry people were saying about the amazing, and even criminal corruption of both Peter and Paul (link above)?
But even before the memes of Secular Christianity / Liberalism took over, it’s clear to me that Catholicism resulted in an astronomic disaster throughout the continent at the south of Río Grande, as briefly explained in entry #3: a process that started in New Spain long before the US was founded.
I know that you are a Christian and that my recipe for salvation—“the prize to save the white race from extinction is apostasy”—will be a hard one to swallow, even when my focus is liberal axiology. (If my Hojas Susurrantes were translated I’d send you a copy: a spiritual odyssey that recounts how my unusually strong Christian faith exploded in a thousand pieces.) But without escalating the discussion that far, what would you respond to Johnson’s points at Occidental Dissent in entry #1?
My pleasure.
I’ve read quite a few of them. Some I read long ago. I exhaustively read all of Nietzsche’s works before I had a driver’s license, incuding The Antichrist. Within months of getting access to the Internet at 13, I found my way onto a debate channel dedicated to atheists. I was anti-Christian up until about five years ago, and feel that I am well-versed in the arguments against Christianity from both a Modern and Traditional vantage point.
I don’t say all that to boast of expertise, but to explain where I’m at. There are definitely people who grew up immersed in Christianity and are simply incapable of letting it go even if it were the root cause. I’m not one of those people. If anything, my “wiring” is that of a secular skeptic. I still have no patience for Creationism, sola scriptura literalism, and rank superstition.
I’ll take the time over the next couple weeks to read through the links you’ve provided and offer a more complete reply, though I strongly suspect that a lot of it amounts to condemning Christianity in decadent forms brought about by the decadent elites at its helm. I agree with you about secular liberalism being a bastard offspring of Christianity, just as White Guilt is the bastard spawn of White Supremacism. A civilization of White Supremacist Christians could have broken and become anti-White and atheist within the span of a mere couple decades without it being the product of the old Gods merely taking on new avatars.
Not only is a Christianity with a sane approach to identity hypothetically possible and theologically defensible, it exists and thrives in the Eastern Orthodox tradition of having national churches which are in communion with one another. There is a universal brotherhood in Christ, but it’s an otherworldly one. It’s not of this world. In this world, we have our tribes, families, and traditions. Papal imperialism, Protestant universalism, and philo-Semitism are all toxic, but I believe the toxins were introduced within the last few centuries for secular and tectonic reasons.
Sure: take your time.
Greg Johnson said recently that the Protestant strain of Christianity that colonized North America represented a toxic regression in terms of ethno-survivalism when compared to the more “pagan” Christianity in the Old World. It’s a pity that I cannot locate the specific thread. Anyway, this is what Rollory said at Age of Treason last month along the same lines:
We both see Protestant Christianity as a toxic regression, though I believe it has less to do with Christianity “returning to its original form” than to its serving its new masters: merchants and Jews.
After all, British Israelites and Christian Identity adherents read the text quite literally and arrived at conclusions dramatically at odds with what the folks at CUFI have arrived at. Their exegesis is no less sensible than what Pastor Hagee concocts, and yet Hagee travels by jet while CI pastors get around in used pickup trucks. Hagee has his own cable channels to promote himself 24/7, while CI pastors struggle to keep their Facebook and blogspot accounts enabled.
I say it has less to do with the persuasiveness of the opposing perspectives than it does with the usefulness of the opposing perspectives. Not to flatter ourselves, but I believe we make much more persuasive and convincing arguments than the anti-racists. Good for us, we’ve made dramatic improvements in the last few years.
Yet, we’ll remain adrift until we’ve become useful and relevant to an elite with real power. And that’s only useful if we become relevant to a benevolent elite whose interests are integrally aligned with our own. An example of our becoming useful and relevant in a bad way would be in our becoming useful to merchants and Jews who see us as a potential wellspring of rhetorical support and corpses for their designs on the Islamic World…a la Geert Wilders.
I’ve been reading in the last few days The Origin of Christianity, from Revilo Oliver. If you haven’t read yet, it’s very interesting. He relates the relationship between Zoroastrism and Christianity, the latter being some kind of offspring from the former.
So it seems that Zoroastrism is the origin of the universalist religions and ideas. (Gods, there was even a zoroastric sect similar to our modern day marxists).
I’ll give it a look, Llew. By the way, you seem to know Spanish. Have you tried to read the German-Spanish translation of Karlheinz Deschner’s maxmimum opus, Kriminalgeschichte des Christentums (The Criminal History of Christianity)?
Nice article about Trayvon at CC, Matt. But I don’t want to comment there for reasons explained elsewhere.
The point of this post series is that monocausalists are just wrong. In fact, monocausalism is the underlying reason that quite a few of these people believe in retarded theories like blaming Mossad for 9/11. They just simply cannot see that in addition to the JP we have a Christian and a Muslim problem as well.
This is the sort of deranged altruism that caused the emancipation of the Jews in the first place! And I find it incredible that nationalists don’t want to see something so obvious.
The paradox with “secular Christianity”, as I will start calling liberalism, is that this deranged altruism only gets highlighted once you give up Christian dogma, which is what has been happening in the last decades.
P.S. I’ve now added an item to the list, Tom Sunic et al on Christianity.
Why do People of Color hate the White Man? He brought them Christianity, and Christianity leads to large Families of Color!!!
Anyway, not just Christianity, but also Nietzscheanity can be used against Whites, when Whites are weak, and non-Whites are strong. They will always use your own ideology against you, whatever it may be. Understand this, and practice the same.
I doubt that Nietzsche would have sided non-whites but anyway: I am not a Nietzschean because Nietzsche’s philosophy (1) is not explicitly racial and (2) unlike his pal Wagner he didn’t name the Jew.
I don’t really understand much of what is being said here but I’ll have a stab at it anyway (lol). I understand the hypothesis:
‘that the Jewish Problem can only be understood as the deranged altruism resulting from the secular fulfillment of universal Christian values’
I would have to say that the core of the Jewish problem is Usury; and that this was a problem long before the money lending elite invented monotheism (Judaism). They invented monotheism/Judaism for a reason, that is, because it is easier to steal the wealth of the people when the people have only one god to turn to for help. That this god is also the god of the money lenders, and that, in fact, the money lenders are god’s chosen people effectively closes all doors for the people and institutionalizes Judaic supremacy.
We would still have a Jewish problem, Usury, even if the Jews were not able to invent Christianity/Monotheism and spread it across Europe because Usurers was able to thrive in pre-Judaic/monotheistic societies for thousands of years. But the invention and spread of monotheistic Christianity surely has greatly aggravated, and indeed, institutionalized the Jewish problem. So yes you are correct, the ‘deranged altruism resulting from the secular fulfillment of universal Christian values’ surely has institutionalized the Jewish problem into our Western societies. I am inclined to believe that Christianity has been a deliberate Jewish ploy from the very onset, just like monotheism. What Jesus preached at the sermon of the mount is suicidal for any race or culture to adopt! Turn the other cheek, don’t worry about wealth because everything will be ok in the next world etc; these suicidal ideas are surely conspired by Jewish money lenders to subvert Nations.
So I would argue that Christianity was a conspired Jewish false flag from the very start (just like monotheism/Judaism), and that the spread of this suicidal religion was promoted by Judaism and has indeed aggravated the Jewish problem. Christianity has had many centuries to tackle the Jewish problem and has been a complete failure. There is nothing good coming from religious of secular Christianity. It is a key component of the Jewish problem.
At The Occidental Observer Freedom Cobra has beautifully summarized this post:
I’ve just posted about this page on my blog (link).
Thanks! Blaming Christianity is a sort of taboo topic in most of the English-speaking WN blogosphere.
A new translation from the Anti Cristian discussions on your blog: (link)
It is a taboo topic in the whole WN blogosphere Chechar.
These folks are ready to speak the unspeakable about race differences and the JP. But they refuse to take the final step and face the fact that if it was not for Christianity perhaps we would not have to be discussing all of these problems now because they might not have happened in the first place.
How can someone advocate for the dignity and self reliance of the White race while operating within a non White, Levantine cult?
How can these people expose the Jews and their race supremacist cult while worshipping a Jew (!) and making extensive use of the Jewish mythology and the Jewish Weltanschauung?!
It is mind boggling!
My view about the core problems facing the White race today is that Judaism, Christianity, Islam and Communism are Semitic and therefore alien, extraneous ideologies that should be consigned to the trash can of History. The differences I see among them nowadays are close to irrelevant as far as our interests are concerned.
Chechar I think my last comment got lost somehow.
Yes: it got stuck in the spam filter. WordPress sometimes does this gremlinesque tricks.
I’ve just liberated it anyway.
Mr. Parrott defends Christianity because he’s a Christian. This is known in American street parlance as a ‘duh’ moment. In other words – of course!
He then defends his indefensible position with excessive verbiage and an egregious amount of fancy words, esoteric “memes”, and so forth. In short, he’s a pedant, and an obnoxious one at that.
I hate to use extremist language, but Mr. Parrott’s claim that a “WN ruling elite” would be just fine and dandy, even if it were composed of Christians is just dead wrong. Christianity is about something that does not exist.
As such, it is no different – in its essence – than voodoo or witchcraft. We do not need voodoo worshippers in WN (as leaders!) and thus we do not need individuals like Mr. Parrott (except as meek and servile followers).
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Christianity made one crucial error: it incorporated the so-called “Old Testament” into its canon and – what was worse – took its “commandments” seriously and practiced them.
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The violent commandments of the OT aren’t problematic, the Semitic ethnocentrism is problematic. The NT lessens the ethnocentrism, but turns the warfare morality on its head.
Both ethnocentrism AND the “tenor” of the commandments are a problem. The Church did not behave better after it had adopted those “commandments”. [link]
Amazing thread by very qualified posters, I’m struggling myself with Christianity, I don’t think I ever will have a fix idea on it although HH’s and AH’s approaches (take both Christian and pagan values) seem best options to me at present. AH was in a way a profound Christian and his altruism was not perverted by Christianity, so there must be a way out without throwing the baby with the water (Dutch expression).
My question to Chechar and others is, what would be western civilisation without Christ? Would we still be plundering Saxons, Visigoths and Vikings? How sure are you that those classic values of Greece and Rome would be transported to the Nordic races without the roman church? What proof is there we have superior ADN to apply for creativity and effort of all kinds, in music, architecture, & science without the pattern of the Catholic church laid out for us, to work, sweat out the best of us and stop partying (read Tacitus on the Germanic people prior to Christianization, do not resemble at all the Germanic people of the 20th century).
We will never know if there is a God but we can see for sure that without a religion the Nordic races have not proven much besides Stonehenge. I’m not stating I have any clue how to deal with the JP, with or without the Bible. What we see today is except for some hammerhead pagans, all society is turning their back on the church and are a much easier prey to Juice as when the Catholic church reigned Europe with the credo of Christ to slander the money handlers.
No. There’s not only the racial factor. There’s the psychogenic factor too. Read this chapter of my book on psychohistory to see why the Germanic peoples won’t go back easily to barbarism in the coming centuries.
The hidden reason is that childrearing methods have changed much since then.
Your analyse of Christianity is unfortunately superficial. Any serious consideration of the Roman empire will see it was doomed by it’s own decadence before Christianity. Christianity allowed the dying empire to survive further….1000 years further in the case of Byzantium. To the present day in terms of Europe.
The empire was also doomed by the rising confederation of Germanic tribes … whose strength was consolidated by Christianity….through whom the Roman empire lived on ‘theologically’ into something called ‘Europe,’ and not Alamagnia.
Christianity…
You seek easy answers in blaming the surrendered and prostate form of the most sublime (in it’s essence) theology history has ever known, paired with it’s most sublimed and advanced culture…instead of looking for the hard answers that require consideration, study and insight.
It must be noted what of the things the Jews have always hated about Europe, and seek to undermine at every turn, in every sphere? ~~ ‘Christianity’. Why would this be?
As for Protestantism; ‘Lutheranism’ never succumbed to the depredations of the confused universalism and Imperialism mated with utilitarian mercantilism created and spread wholly by the English church…. a more advanced and deadly Venetian system. Lutheranism was the seed bed of Europes greatest philosophers, scientists and musicians, as well as the Prussian military spirit and Nationalist Socialism.
Nor do you look for the guilt on our own hands, most specifically English mercantile theology and utilitarianism – The English project required the destruction of Europe without thought, and the seeds of all the modern theological and philosophical traps laid by the Jews were acquired hand in hand with the English imperial project, whose elite most readily identified with Judaism and remain today the template throughout not just the West, but the world.
The Jews are guilty of most everything levelled at them, what’s more they want you to know it… it’s a force multiplier for them. The rot of the church is thorough, it is completely disarmed, headless. But it is not the cause.
I am not saying that Christianity is the only factor of our woes, only one of the ingredients of the “brew”.
Christianity, like all altruistic social organisms in the west, was penetrated by forces intending downfall. It was also polluted by keeping the Pentateuch, or Old Testament integral – like keeping the word of satan along side that of God, yet not mentioning it to the unsuspecting reader.
You fellows mean well, and I respect your views,. but you are falling into the trap laid out for you. Saving Europe means saving it how it is…not how you imagine it to be in some pagan or futuristic age.