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		<title>Comment on Gitone&#8217;s magic by Peter</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 12:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A google image search for &quot;ephebe&quot; yields this result... 

http://waitinthewater.com/post/175130648/furthering-the-chiaroscuro-theme-with-one-of-many]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A google image search for &#8220;ephebe&#8221; yields this result&#8230; </p>
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		<title>Comment on On the electric guitar and more by Roger</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 12:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[IFA:

I cannot see a &quot;reply&quot; button on the other thread, but I am not familiar with Landini. I&#039;m listening to some of the songs that are available on YT right now, and they are marvellous. I adore the early music revival of the 20th Century.

This serves to highlight a point I made in the previous post: classical music is so vast that one individual simply cannot internalise *everything*. There is always something &quot;new&quot; waiting to be discovered, be it an undiscovered composer, an undiscovered composition by an established favourite, or even an unheard recording of a familiar piece. Truly, there is no greater treasure trove than the Western canon! 

I scorn the mad idea that we &quot;need a more basic entree to lighten our daily burden&quot;. If I only have three minutes to cram in one piece of music, why resort to pap? I have the songs of Gibbons, Monteverdi, Dowland, and now Landini! The Philistines can keep the rot to themselves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IFA:</p>
<p>I cannot see a &#8220;reply&#8221; button on the other thread, but I am not familiar with Landini. I&#8217;m listening to some of the songs that are available on YT right now, and they are marvellous. I adore the early music revival of the 20th Century.</p>
<p>This serves to highlight a point I made in the previous post: classical music is so vast that one individual simply cannot internalise *everything*. There is always something &#8220;new&#8221; waiting to be discovered, be it an undiscovered composer, an undiscovered composition by an established favourite, or even an unheard recording of a familiar piece. Truly, there is no greater treasure trove than the Western canon! </p>
<p>I scorn the mad idea that we &#8220;need a more basic entree to lighten our daily burden&#8221;. If I only have three minutes to cram in one piece of music, why resort to pap? I have the songs of Gibbons, Monteverdi, Dowland, and now Landini! The Philistines can keep the rot to themselves.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Europe in dormition by Dana</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 11:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This sounds almost identical to the legend of Barbarossa, which the Operation was named after in WWII.]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on On the electric guitar and more by Roger</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 11:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The second of those Forefather songs is a modernist arrangement of a medieval English song (c. 1225). For the sake of comparison, listen to this recording by the period instrument group, Ensemble Belladonna:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UvesKl8_W8

The singing is much better, the instruments have more clarity, and there is no distortion or loudness. There are no power-chords (i.e. fifths), either. The whole thing is more harmonious and melodic (thank God for Alte Musik!). I know what Forefather are trying to do, but there is no essential difference between the outward form of their music and that of &quot;NWOBHM&quot; bands. The differences are superficial, even if Forefather have good intentions. Just listen to the drum rhythm -- it is the same as the one you will find in Iron Maiden or Saxon: dun-DUN-dun-DUN. The emphasis is always on the second and fourth beats, rather than the first and the third. This is a disordered type of syncopation, and it is one of the core characteristics of rock music in general (including most of the other links you have posted). It gives me a headache.

These people would be better off ditching the electric guitars and drum kit altogether, and perhaps getting some singing lessons. Period instruments have a much sweeter effect on the ear. If you want a buzzy instrument, learn the shawm! It is better than the electric guitar and it does not require special tricks for its sound to be amplified.

The song I posted is taken from an album called &quot;Melodious Melancholye: the sweet sounds of medieval England&quot;, by the way, if anyone wants to hear more. It is one of my favourites, and the performers are all involved with other excellent period groups.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The second of those Forefather songs is a modernist arrangement of a medieval English song (c. 1225). For the sake of comparison, listen to this recording by the period instrument group, Ensemble Belladonna:</p>
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<p>The singing is much better, the instruments have more clarity, and there is no distortion or loudness. There are no power-chords (i.e. fifths), either. The whole thing is more harmonious and melodic (thank God for Alte Musik!). I know what Forefather are trying to do, but there is no essential difference between the outward form of their music and that of &#8220;NWOBHM&#8221; bands. The differences are superficial, even if Forefather have good intentions. Just listen to the drum rhythm &#8212; it is the same as the one you will find in Iron Maiden or Saxon: dun-DUN-dun-DUN. The emphasis is always on the second and fourth beats, rather than the first and the third. This is a disordered type of syncopation, and it is one of the core characteristics of rock music in general (including most of the other links you have posted). It gives me a headache.</p>
<p>These people would be better off ditching the electric guitars and drum kit altogether, and perhaps getting some singing lessons. Period instruments have a much sweeter effect on the ear. If you want a buzzy instrument, learn the shawm! It is better than the electric guitar and it does not require special tricks for its sound to be amplified.</p>
<p>The song I posted is taken from an album called &#8220;Melodious Melancholye: the sweet sounds of medieval England&#8221;, by the way, if anyone wants to hear more. It is one of my favourites, and the performers are all involved with other excellent period groups.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On the electric guitar and more by Roger</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 11:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with IFA&#039;s comment below. If I want to listen to Indian classical music, I will listen to Indian classical music! There is no reason to fuse a living tradition with rock music. There is a different spirit and theory lying beneath the two. It is like trying to force an American plug into a European power socket. The two just don&#039;t meld. I am not particularly enamoured with Indian classical music, but it far more estimable than rock music. I do not see how anyone could integrate a bass guitar into it, and certainly not a drum kit.

For a direct example, consider the English jazz guitarist, John McLaughlin. When he tried to fuse his jazz-rock styling with Indian classical music, it sounded trite and contrived. You can hear this on a composition like &quot;Peace One&quot; (a dreadful hippy name), which seems unable to decide whether it wants to be jazz or Indian. It has a cluttered sound which one will never hear in traditional Indian music. Later on, however, McLaughlin wielded a more successful result by doing away with the jazz elements altogether. He formed a group called Shakti and reverted to the acoustic guitar, which he modified in several ways to acclimatise it to the microtonality of Indian music. This included scalloping the neck and adding drone-strings to imitate the sitar. WIth this group, he performed wholly acoustic music alongside traditional Indian musicians -- there was a logic behind it despite the non-traditional instrumentation (and remember: his modifications would have made his guitar alien to Western musicians, too!). By this point, it was no longer rock music at all. He must have understood that it can only be one or the other.

Nietzsche can think what he wants, but I am a reactionary, not a revolutionary. That means a return to the principles of better times. They were valid then and they will always remain so. If the natural order is restored, the culture will follow.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with IFA&#8217;s comment below. If I want to listen to Indian classical music, I will listen to Indian classical music! There is no reason to fuse a living tradition with rock music. There is a different spirit and theory lying beneath the two. It is like trying to force an American plug into a European power socket. The two just don&#8217;t meld. I am not particularly enamoured with Indian classical music, but it far more estimable than rock music. I do not see how anyone could integrate a bass guitar into it, and certainly not a drum kit.</p>
<p>For a direct example, consider the English jazz guitarist, John McLaughlin. When he tried to fuse his jazz-rock styling with Indian classical music, it sounded trite and contrived. You can hear this on a composition like &#8220;Peace One&#8221; (a dreadful hippy name), which seems unable to decide whether it wants to be jazz or Indian. It has a cluttered sound which one will never hear in traditional Indian music. Later on, however, McLaughlin wielded a more successful result by doing away with the jazz elements altogether. He formed a group called Shakti and reverted to the acoustic guitar, which he modified in several ways to acclimatise it to the microtonality of Indian music. This included scalloping the neck and adding drone-strings to imitate the sitar. WIth this group, he performed wholly acoustic music alongside traditional Indian musicians &#8212; there was a logic behind it despite the non-traditional instrumentation (and remember: his modifications would have made his guitar alien to Western musicians, too!). By this point, it was no longer rock music at all. He must have understood that it can only be one or the other.</p>
<p>Nietzsche can think what he wants, but I am a reactionary, not a revolutionary. That means a return to the principles of better times. They were valid then and they will always remain so. If the natural order is restored, the culture will follow.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On the electric guitar and more by Joseph Walsh</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joseph Walsh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 10:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When one&#039;s retinue departs it is for two reasons: either their ears are no longer worthy of your words, or your words are not worth their time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When one&#8217;s retinue departs it is for two reasons: either their ears are no longer worthy of your words, or your words are not worth their time.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On the electric guitar and more by WhiteLight</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 08:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here are two more songs that incorporate electric guitars from an Anglo-Saxon Nationalist band. 

When Our England Died

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwwOuVFogRQ


Miri it Is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeGuDQ5gq-c]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are two more songs that incorporate electric guitars from an Anglo-Saxon Nationalist band. </p>
<p>When Our England Died</p>
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<p>Miri it Is</p>
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		<title>Comment on On the electric guitar and more by WhiteLight</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WhiteLight]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 08:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s a WN band that combines classical guitars and Electric Guitars for a fairly good effect: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up2o3m6Pq1w]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a WN band that combines classical guitars and Electric Guitars for a fairly good effect: </p>
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		<title>Comment on On the electric guitar and more by WhiteLight</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 08:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[btw, the examples are fairly diverse jut to show that a number of different forms of metal can be done well. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw, the examples are fairly diverse jut to show that a number of different forms of metal can be done well. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on On the electric guitar and more by WhiteLight</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WhiteLight]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 08:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rock itself is quite worthless as a genera.The best way to summarize pop music is the musicians and their worthless multiracial friends having a pointless party. Rock music is the rebellious music (cough cough) that wants people to either drink up a storm of fornicate to no end (like every other part of the media promotes). Metal as a genera uses metal guitars yes, but often in folk metal bands some attempt to incorporate traditional instruments such as flutes, violins and even bagpipes is made. The culture surrounding it is often not great, but the music itself isn&#039;t by necessity bad. 

I&#039;ll give five examples from metal bands I listen to to prove the point:

And then there was silence: a 14 minute song about the trojan war

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjAxCx95mO8

The Wheel of Time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_ts8cPScXM

Undiscovered Dreams: Light Metal + Operatic Vocals

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgd_hSzutFE


Third immortal (about Radaghast the Brown from LOTR)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTlU-NYBi7A

The Dead End Verse: Kind of have to love the lyrics in this song.&quot;You tried to cloud my eyes with shame I know, until I understood that guilt is control. We don&#039;t feel, now I am facing your truth. Faith of Hell! 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4x2onG0gLc


There is metal stuff that is degenerate of course. Lots of satanist stuff, drunken culture, fornication culture etc. However, there is also some stuff that is descent as far as message and the instruments suit it to a large extent. I also really like classical music too. It used to be the only stuff that I listened to, but I found that Folk Metal and some other metal is quite appealing for me too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rock itself is quite worthless as a genera.The best way to summarize pop music is the musicians and their worthless multiracial friends having a pointless party. Rock music is the rebellious music (cough cough) that wants people to either drink up a storm of fornicate to no end (like every other part of the media promotes). Metal as a genera uses metal guitars yes, but often in folk metal bands some attempt to incorporate traditional instruments such as flutes, violins and even bagpipes is made. The culture surrounding it is often not great, but the music itself isn&#8217;t by necessity bad. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll give five examples from metal bands I listen to to prove the point:</p>
<p>And then there was silence: a 14 minute song about the trojan war</p>
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<p>The Wheel of Time</p>
<p><span class='embed-youtube' style='text-align:center; display: block;'><iframe class='youtube-player' type='text/html' width='470' height='295' src='http://www.youtube.com/embed/y_ts8cPScXM?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;fs=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;wmode=transparent' frameborder='0'></iframe></span></p>
<p>Undiscovered Dreams: Light Metal + Operatic Vocals</p>
<p><span class='embed-youtube' style='text-align:center; display: block;'><iframe class='youtube-player' type='text/html' width='470' height='295' src='http://www.youtube.com/embed/dgd_hSzutFE?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;fs=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;wmode=transparent' frameborder='0'></iframe></span></p>
<p>Third immortal (about Radaghast the Brown from LOTR)</p>
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<p>The Dead End Verse: Kind of have to love the lyrics in this song.&#8221;You tried to cloud my eyes with shame I know, until I understood that guilt is control. We don&#8217;t feel, now I am facing your truth. Faith of Hell! </p>
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<p>There is metal stuff that is degenerate of course. Lots of satanist stuff, drunken culture, fornication culture etc. However, there is also some stuff that is descent as far as message and the instruments suit it to a large extent. I also really like classical music too. It used to be the only stuff that I listened to, but I found that Folk Metal and some other metal is quite appealing for me too.</p>
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