Lethal mixing of bloods

Most of present-day Greeks are mongrels, not peoples of pure “Indo-European” (whites for short) origin. According to William Pierce, the only way that the ancient Greeks could have survived as pure whites would have been to eliminate the entire indigenous population, either through expulsion or extermination:


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  1. This piece is part of chapter 10 of Pierce’s study on the white race. Other abridged chapters can be read on the Addenda. Polybius’ words by the way, who described—:

    his countrymen as “degenerate, pleasure-seeking beggars, without loyalty or belief, and without hope for a better future”

    —are a mirror-image of most of today’s westerners.

  2. Not wishing to contradict Mr Pierce, but from a logical point of view, civilization it`s probably more mediterranean than nordic in essence, and before you start throwing any stones to my roof I will explain why.

    5000 years ago, when almost all races where pure blooded and independent from each other, the nordic races were formed by hunter gatherers tribes and mediterraneans were the ones who practiced agriculture, which allow them to relax and organize themselves in peaceful societies until the nordic conquerors came to invade them and adopt the lifestyle of the conquered people (mediterraneans).

    This is something that was repeated many times in ancient history, the nordic conquerors adopted the civilization just when their lifestyle was the same as the mediterraneans, something that ended up terrible all the time. Civilization is deadly for nordic people, the results are always the same: fratricidal wars between their many empires leaving the weak safe at home, miscegenation, relaxation (slavery for works they can perfectly do, or the current levels of immigration for example) and moral decay (pornography, drunkenness, etc)

    I believe that nearly all ancient civilizations might have ended through miscegenation, but this one will probably be a combination of many factors, resources depletion, currency crashes (dollar, euro, etc) and climate change perhaps.

    • Pierce’s main concern was not mixing with Mediterraneans, but with Levantines, producing Levantine mongrels or non-whites. Interbreeding of Nordic and pure Mediterranean on the other hand still produces whites.

      Present-day Greeks have been further mongrelized after the Turks. They are definitively not pure whites.

      • Golden Dawn?!

        Compared to the PVV in the Netherlands and what about Sweden?

      • Yes: present-day Greeks are not as body-snatched Pods as Nordics. But what wee need is a GD-like movement in Germany, Scandinavia and in your country. Only awoken Aryans can make a difference in the world.

  3. Civilization originated in the Mediterranean region but the blood that formed it originated in the North. Both Hitler and Himmler were right in their own way.

    That’s the only thing that needs to be understood about history, if you are in a hurry.

  4. Re

    “If it is difficult to believe that as great a state as Athens could pass from Nordic genius and glory to mongrelized squalor in a few centuries, just think for a moment of the racial transformation of America which has taken place in a single century. And imagine what America will be like two or three centuries hence (barring a White revolution), when Whites are a minority, outnumbered by both Blacks and Chicanos. America’s technology and industry may coast along for a century or two on the momentum acquired from earlier generations, as Athens’ culture did, but the American people—the real Americans—will have passed from the pages of history.”

    And here is the crux of the matter. Murka-Firsters come in all sizes and shapes with all degrees of intellectual capacity…and non-capacity. At the core of “anti-Europe”, i.e. Murka, is an extremely false exceptionalism and blatant imperialism…which in turn has been front-end loaded into Murkan White Nationalism. The imagined Manifest Destiny of “the House on the Hill” is an enemy of all peoples, Europeans inclusive.

    Unlike a Francis Parker Yockey and a small contingent of like Euro minds who recognise that the racial challenge is a spiritual challenge, the likes of a Rockwell and Pierce are left with empty chest-thumping in defence of a brutish and decadent Empire, the existential underpinnings for which were in place long before the first Jew stepped ashore. Any attempt to mix Murka with White racial integrity, as was most of Pierce’s narrative, is bogus and a non-starter. The institution was hot-wired to become its destiny. That destiny has arrived. Secede to survive… as Murka’s Ethno Nationalist and secessionist “Others.”

    • It seems that Pierce shared Yockey’s spiritual concerns. Have you read these sentences of his Turner Diaries?

      • Re “If we fail, God’s great Experiment will come to an end, and this planet will once again, as it did millions of years ago, move through the ether devoid of higher man.”

        I do not consider this to be a spiritual statement. It is a religious statement. Quote #1 is followed by quote #2:

        “One day we will have a truly American press in this country, but a lot of editors’ throats will have to be cut first.”

  5. I don’t know much about genetics, but I recall reading that the Dorians were of the R1b haplogroup which predominates throughout Western Europe from Iberia, France, and the British Isles.

    “The presence of R1b1b2 in Greece could be attributed to the Dorian invasion, thought to have happened in the 12th century BCE. The Dorians could have been related to the Trojans and the Hittites belonging to the oldest Indo-European linguistic branch, or to the Proto-Celts of central Europe and the Danube valley. One way of the other, their Y-DNA lineages would have been predominantly R1b1b or R1b1b2. The Dorians could be the descendants of the first (R1b) steppe nomads who settled in the Eastern Balkans (Cernavoda and Ezero cultures) and did not continue their migration up the Danube to central and western Europe.”

    http://herebedragons.weebly.com/y-dna.html

    It seems that one of white man’s failings is a tendency not to breed enough, and to be too kind to the indigenous people whose lands they invade and colonize. Other races don't seem to have any compunction about commiting genocide against their enemies (just read up on the history of the Turks since they invaded Asia Minor).

    • Thanks for the link. Very informative.

      P.S. From the pen of another nordicist: “The ancient Romans, Greeks, Hittites, Sarmatians and Indo-Aryans displayed the same blond or redhead traits as do modern ‘Nordics.’ The swarthy skinned Southern Euros are so because of admixture from Jews and Moors (in Spain), Negroes (Portugal), Syrians & Berber-Hamites (southern Italy), Arabs & others (Greece), etc.”

      This of course does not mean that all Southern Euros are mixed.

      • ‘This of course does not mean that all Southern Euros are mixed.’

        Very true. Whilst I haven’t read a great deal of White Nationalist literature, I get the impression that there is a small degree of chauvanism directed by Northern Europeans at Southern Europeans. As you say, this isn’t really justified, as much of the Southern European races remain untainted by either E3b (Berber) or J (Arab) haplogroups. You only need to look at Italian-Americans like Al Pacino and compare them to some modern day English-Celtics to see the simlarity.

        It’s less a case of the Northmen needing to invade the South and replace the natives, and more a case of separating the Southern wheat from the Southern chaff. There’s plenty of R1b, R1a and I type down there (the Balkans has the same proportion of I-type haplogroup genes as Sweden and the Ukraine for instance).

        (link)

      • Y-chromosome is passed from father to son. No female involvement, so draw your own conclusions.

  6. Hi, Chechar! How are things, pal? I hope you’re fine.

    Two quick points, both of them off-topic.

    Are you familiar with this guy called René Salm (http://www.nazarethmyth.info/), an atheist New Testament self-taught scholar who maintains that Nazareth did not exist before very late into the 1st century AD? It was only the other day I stumbled upon his website and I found this theory fascinating.

    I also would like to know if you heard that Jim Giles’ interview with Arthur Kemp on the Radio Free Missisipi. I don’t have the link at hand, but the guy has a very harsh view (to say the least) of William Pierce’s influence on the American WN scene. I’d like to hear your thoughts about it.

    Cheers!

    • Thanks. I was unaware of that. I googled and found a 2009 interview that Giles has now deleted.

      But there’s a 2009 OD thread where Kemp’s interview is discussed openly; there I’ve just read this:

      Kemp installs himself as the arbiter of White Nationalist seriousness and begins by denouncing everyone who is now to his right.

      This is Brad Griffin’s (“Hunter Wallace”) formal reply to Kemp before Griffin was hurt by other WNsts and started to criticize the movement.

      I agree with Griffin and would add that I see Kemp as the Newton of history; not as a politician.

      • Here you are, I’ve just found the interview I’ve just mentioned, it is the fourth one from top to bottom on the left: http://archive.org/details/Giles

        Basically, Kemp’s point is that White Nationalism has to go mainstream, so to say, and must somehow get a normal political outlook, with a regular political party to take part in the electoral process. In other words, it must be hygeinized, purged from “klansmen”, “nazis”, “skinheads”, etc., etc., and go mainstream.

        I totally disagree with him, but the guy, as you know, is very articulate and well spoken and at a certain point in his interview he makes what, at least to my mind, is a cogent, powerful argument: He asks Giles what exactly American White Natinalists accomplished in the public arena in the past 25 years.

        Anyways, listen to it for yourself and give me your personal impression.

        By the way, did you take a look at the first link I sent you, the one about Nazareth? That guy reminded me a lot of you, in the sense that, just like you, he is also a self-taught scholar and an intellecual maverick in his field of studies.

        Cheers!

      • Just listened to it.

        Kemp is ignorant on the JQ. He doesn’t seem to having read Kevin Mac. His views on anti-Semitism are still stuck with the Protocols. That’s quite odd since in his monumental book he perfectly understood the Juden issues in the historical past.

        His sentence that he blames our woes on white nationalists tempts me to write a whole essay about it. Of course: he is absolutely right about 9/11 cranks. But like all pro-whites with the exception of Pierce, Kemp is blind to what’s causing the failure: whites themselves. All of them, especially the non-WNsts.

        Will I write that essay? It’s extremely tricky because I’d have to elaborate on my “Star Child” axiology and my philosophy about what I call “the Neanderthals”. And nobody except the late Pierce and perhaps the 1888 Nietzsche just before he went mad would understand this hardest of all POVs.

        Whether I write it or not, thanks for the link. I believe we have far more in common than what you might think.

  7. I must confess that I was as puzzled as you after having listened to this interview and that I still don’t know what to make of it.

    Here we have an intelligent, very well-informed WN who authored a massive book of the caliber of the History of the White Race and who at the same time, speaking like a NYT journalist, dismisses anyone who points at the Jews as at least partially responsible for the woes of Whites as loons cranking up cartoonish conspiratorial theories. I would bet my bottom dollar that he knows better than that because it simply doesn’t add up.

    But on the other hand, although I don’t think his idea of having the WN moviment disassociate its image from any radical rhetoric (Nazism, the Klan, etc.) as a smart PR move would make any dint in the way the Powers that Be treat it, it must be said that he has a factual point when he states that the WN movement has not accomplished anything since the days of German National Socialism. I don’t think his plan to turn the WNM into a mainstream political force would work (AT LEAST in the PC lines he is proposing), but the fact of the matter is that he is right on the money when he says that SOMETHING PRACTICAL, CONCRETE has to be done somehow.

    • The WN movement has not accomplished anything since the days of German National Socialism because, unlike WNsts, most whites are not good people. Remember my Hamilton quote at my postscript to Dies Irae: “What I failed to realize for many years was the depth of the evil and the resistance to individual redemption. Obviously, if people are evil when evil people rule, and good only when good people rule, they are not really good”. It is as simple as that. And our tragedy is that though these Neanderthals must be exterminated we don’t have any power to do that.

      Just imagine for a second what would happen in the white world if only one percent of whites had the spirit of William Pierce… Today we would start reclaiming our respective nations.

      But there are almost no truly emergent people in the white world. Only spiritual Neanderthals. Kemp is wrong.

      • Obviously, if people are evil when evil people rule, and good only when good people rule, they are not really good

        Very sensible remark, Caesar… indeed, the White masses are capable, without the right leader, of astonishing levels of degeneration, decadence and stupidity, but also astonishing levels of evil. This is the case since the death of religious Christianity, at least. How many times I have seen brothers betraying brothers or friends betraying friends for a vagina or a bag of money…

        It has often led me to question the very idea of “saving the White race” — something Hitler had tried to do.

        The more time went by, the more I inclined to think the White masses should be left to rot and die, in order to allow the emergence of a new, stronger Aryan genetic stock.

        That led me to embrace separatism (first economic and cultural, then territorial) as a political strategy.

      • Your spam filter is a bit too sensible Caesar. A new message of mine has ended up in it, it seems.

      • Yes: once in a while, WordPress’ spam filter has prevented some of the best commenters to post here. Too bad.

        Non-whites are more evil and far uglier than whites. Think of white female beauty and you will see why a portion of the race must be spared from divine retribution. The best metaphor I’ve encountered on the boards is that of a huge forest burnt and vivid green shoots budding above the gray ashes.

        That’s what’s coming soon. First the dollar will collapse. A few days after the hungry niggers will riot throughout the US’s major cities as described by the Western Riffle Shooter Association. Social chaos will be followed by a political crisis that will endure for decades, with a broken Murka that can no longer play GloboCop. Germany will no longer be an occupied nation and the end of the evil empire after 1945 will be at hand.

        Although many whites will die in the above scenario, especially in the cities inundated with non-whites, then the real killer will come, the exponential depletion of oil. Malthusian laws predict that billions will die during the convergence of catastrophes, including many whites.

        It is this stage where my highest hopes are placed, insofar as only deep pain will move the white soul to an examination of its consciousness, repentance, and a possible atonement for its sins.

        What is coming on the white race is a punishment of truly biblical proportions and we must be glad that we will see at least the beginning of the Apocalypse. The only way that this won’t happen is that both Austrian economists and peak oliers—neither of whom are WNsts—got their data all wrong but I very, very much doubt that.

  8. “It is this stage where my highest hopes are placed, insofar as only deep pain will move the white soul to an examination of its consciousness, repentance, and a possible atonement for its sins.”

    Indeed, shuch a civilization (link) DOES need to repent.

    But although I’m deeply pessimistic in the short and medium term, I’m very optimistic in the long run because Nature itself is on our side. You just can’t make facts go away.

    This article was linked yesterday on the Drudge Report as its main headline: (link). Granted: the folks behind this project quite certainly are not WN’ists, but who do you guys think will overwhelmingly join it? Things like this are just a tiny sample of what Whites will do in the future.

  9. “It is this stage where my highest hopes are placed, insofar as only deep pain will move the white soul to an examination of its consciousness, repentance, and a possible atonement for its sins.”

    Precisely!

    Hitler could only succeed because of the very dire, desperate circumstances, especially the economic ones, in Germany at that time. Had times been anywhere near normal, we would never have heard of him. Many observers are aware of that. Hence comments like Hitler was born in Versailles or similar. Thus one must clearly face the fact that most whites, and especially those of today, respond only to material needs and not to reason or conscience, i.e. only when the good times are over. Good times meaning a job, some food and housing, and cheap entertainment.

    In that sense our future looks positive, as we are facing some inevitable changes, as you very correctly point out:

    The financial system as it is will not last much longer, at least not in a form where it supports the general populace. Not only Schiff states so, but a host of others as well. Having looked deeply onto the matter I am convinced of the logic as well. One can see already very clearly how economic power is migrating to the East on a huge scale and how debts are escalating. Just think of this idiotic idea of minting the trillion dollar coin.

    Your second aspect of Peak Oil is perhaps not quite as pressing as believed some time ago. The new method of fracking appears to make quite a dent and has pushed out the limit somewhat further. One should never underestimate technological progress. Still, generalizing the concept, there is no doubt that the rapidly growing humanity is drawing down the natural resources at an unsustainable rate. Sooner or later we shall experience the consequences.

    Additionally with the interconnectedness of everything these days it may well be that once one problem becomes imminent it will in turn trip the next one, thereby creating a cascade of catastrophes, also of other problems we are not even aware of right now. Naturally this will create prolonged circumstances very conductive to the awakening of the white man.

    • The difference is that, unlike Weimar Germany, the US now has 100 million non-whites and a media monopolized by a hostile tribe.

      But you are right: there are others speaking out besides Schiff. This is a Martenson interview last month:

  10. “Hitler could only succeed because of the very dire, desperate circumstances, especially the economic ones, in Germany at that time. Had times been anywhere near normal, we would never have heard of him. Many observers are aware of that. Hence comments like Hitler was born in Versailles or similar. Thus one must clearly face the fact that most whites, and especially those of today, respond only to material needs and not to reason or conscience, i.e. only when the good times are over. Good times meaning a job, some food and housing, and cheap entertainment.”

    The paragraph above immediately came to my mind while I was reading this disgusting NYT article a couple of minutes ago (link). Read it yourselves. I almost puked.

    One of the commenters summed up my thoughts on it:

    “These kids (all young adults these days actually) need to go live in a 2nd or 3rd world country and see what real issues are. Someone please pop the bubble they’re in! The self-absorption is pitiful and shameful. As human beings they’re actually so much more than these definitions they define themselves by!”

    When one seriously consider for a moment the sort of decadent, degenerate, effeminate, bitchy, surrealistically frivolous generations the sterllarly affluent West has been producing for several decades now it is hard not to look forward for whatever cataclysms which can make these people MAN UP.

    • Re your question way above, no: I have not read this self-taught, New Testament researcher. By the way, have you read Kemp’s chapter on the genocidal evangelism of Charlemagne and the Teutonic Knights?

  11. Yes, I have. It remindeded me of what Tom Sunic wrote in an article I recommended to you and you posted last year: Christianity had a huge dysgenic impact on the European gene pool. BTW, my intention is to order Kemp’s book very soon and read it from cover to cover, thanks for the tip.

    On a side note, last night I accidentaly found out this guy called Edward Tarte, a Catholic priest turned atheist. Check his series of videos on the Bible and the Catholic Church (http://www.youtube.com/user/edwardtarte?feature=watch), I think they’re worth it, just ignore his blatant liberalism — but most atheists are liberal/leftist, we have to put up with it anyways.

    • I watched only the first minutes and didn’t like it. Jessica sided a Jewess about a complain about a Christian ad. These kind of atheists are scum to my mind: as bad as the evangelicals who preach the universalism of man.

      • Like I said before, most atheists are on the left, that’s a fact.

  12. On the other hand, I think you know these guys: http://www.youtube.com/user/TheAtheistExperience?feature=watch

    • No, and I tend to agree with Brad Griffin (cf his recent exchanges with Linder at the Jim Giles show) that together with homos atheists are the most liberal (i.e., race traitors) of the Western world.

      By the by, a few days ago I called one of my former mentors (who died last year) “scum” at TOO: Paul Kurtz, the grandfather of American secular humanism who I met twice in my life.

      • Finally free of the fear of eternal damnation, one finds oneself alone with oneself. Or, as the old saying goes, “If God doesn’t exist, then everything is allowed”.

        Atheism is an incandescent magma which destroys everything on its path. It is powerful but dangerous, which is the reason few are worthy of it, and the privilege of being an atheist was reserved in the past to kings and philosophers (cf. Machiavelli). You can either decide to keep it as an unruled magma, or decide to spill water over it in order to form new continents.

        The problem with most Western atheists is that they never, mostly because of limited intelligence (“too clever by half”), take the second path and offer a consistent philosophy in response to the question “What do you believe in”. Most cling bitterly to the idea that “God doesn’t exist”, like to a badge of honor or a medal, and forget the necessity of forging themselves new sets of values, rituals and traditions. Hence why they don’t find abhorrent at all that homos marry or preteenagers have sex together. Most Western atheists are stunted cripples who never overcame the maturity level of an adolescent.

  13. Another message of mine in the spam filter… :)

    • That’s exactly why the Anglo-Saxons committed the Sin against the Holy Ghost in the century when we were born. Just when the next paradigm was born, a paradigm not devoid of a spiritual message, they killed the baby in its cradle. As Heidegger put it, “the Anglo-Saxon world of Americanism has resolved to annihilate Europe, that is, the homeland”; it has resolved to annihilate “the commencement of the Western world.”

      Now that the Shire is being scoured by the Saurumans and that all head of States of Western nations wield Rings with a curse on them we are stuck with a thoroughly nihilistic form of atheism. Only a collapse of the financial system will move these degenerates to have second thoughts.

  14. Chechar just wanted to alert you that our old pals@ Gates of Vienna seem to have lost their blog. Not sure what’s happened, but it seems Blogger has pulled the plug:

    http://tinyurl.com/b6qyhe8

    • Thanks. This is what I’ve just emailed to “Baron Bodissey”:

      Hey Ned,

      On March 2011 exactly the same happened to me: along with my two other blogs hosted by Blogspot, WHD was axed. When I tried to open it I got a message that I didn’t write down, something like: “Sorry, the blog at caesartort.blogspot.com has been removed. This address is not available for new blogs.”

      At the same time my G-mail was blocked. I emailed them and got a bot reply. They wanted me to verify with a mobile number which I did and I got a code which I inputed.

      ONLY AFTER DOING IT my three blogs and G-mail were opened.

      At the beginning of December 2009 something similar happened to Dennis Mangan.

      As to date, WordPress has not nuked the newest incarnation of WDH. But the safest way is to have your webpage. I know a Spanish blogger who managed to transfer all of his Blogger posts & comments to a web page, including most of the page style.

      Likewise, last time I checked, WordPress has a magic button to move all of it, from Blogger to WordPress in a single stroke.

      Perhaps you’ll find this a little hilarious but Blogger took that action against me when I “translated” all of what Westerner (Auster?) wrote in the GoV article about nuking Mecca to an entry I dared to title “Nuking Jerusalem”—an attempt to show double standards. According to Blogger I crossed the line, but never received an email from any real person of Blogger.

      Blogger is a time-bomb. Sooner or later they’ll ax the politically-incorrect blog with no warning and with no explanation. The same happened to the “anti-Semitic” blogger Svigor before he moved to WordPress.

      Have a nice new year,

      Cesar

      • Yer always a class act. You treat them far better than they treated you :)

  15. Sparta and its law (Esparta y su Ley) (link) What do you think about this topic on both articles?

    • Looks like a must read. Have you tried to translate it to English?

      • No. I will do it on December.

      • I have started to read it, but cannot find the source of Nietzsche’s quote in the epigraph: not even in Spanish. Could you provide it please (book, chapter and if possible page)?

        ¡Felices tiempos aquellos del pasado remoto en que un pueblo se decía a sí mismo: “¡Yo quiero ser el amo de otros pueblos!” Y es que, hermanos, lo mejor debe dominar y lo mejor quiere también dominar. Y allí donde se enseñe otra cosa es porque falta lo mejor.

        P.S.

        And I will need also the source of other N quotes, e.g., the one which starts thus:

        Confesemos pues, sin rodeos…


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