A response to Parrott

Or:

The self-defeating notion
of a “Christian” white nationalism

by John Martínez

So you can see that my position goes far beyond both Christian reductionism and Jewish reductionism. I believe that individualism, universalism, weak ethnocentrism (“hardwired” characteristics in the White psyche since prehistoric times) + egalitarianism, liberalism, capitalism (cultural “software” after the Revolution which ironically strengthened Christian axiology) + the Jewish culture of critique in the 20th century = a truly lethal brew for the White peoples.

Chechar, you pretty much summarized the “White Question” (so to say) in this single paragraph.

I have the utmost respect for Parrott—the guy is brilliant, and he is a real fighter for the White cause.

However, what he and other White nationalists regrettably fail to see is that a “Racialist Christianity” is an oxymoron.

Here’s Saint Paul to give the final word on the question (Galatians 3:28): “There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.”

In passages like this (not to mention many others throughout the New Testament, specially the several ones where Jesus violently attacks the rich in a way that would have made Karl Marx sound like an elitist) you have the real seeds of the French Revolution, Communism and modern Liberalism. For God’s sake, this is avant-garde Egalitarianism writ large!

I wonder what part our “Christian race realist” friends don’t understand in the sentence “There is neither Jew nor Gentile… for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” After all, if we are all brothers and sisters in Christ, how can someone in his own mind argue against racial intermixing, for example?

Matt seems to claim that Medieval Christianity was not afflicted by the modern mainstream Christian attitude towards the racial question. That’s true, but the point is: was it so due to Christianity or in spite of it?

The fact of the matter is that the Christian ethos is so out of touch with reality, so fundamentally impractical that a number of compromises had to be made by the European peoples on which it was imposed over time so it could be rendered minimally functional.

judeocristianismoAny society that wished to take suicidal teachings like “Turn the other cheek” or “Resist not Evil” seriously would be enslaved overnight; a society that wished to take at face value teachings preaching that the rich will almost certainly be sentenced to Hell and that one should not worry about tomorrow but rather one should give everything away to the poor—a society that had gone insane enough to implement such ideas would implode almost immediately.

Therefore, it is obvious that a number of Christian tenets had to be simply ignored or rationalized into oblivion so that it could become a mainstream doctrine. Being the Europeans who they were and being surrounded by an ocean of hostile populations on all sides as it was the case, it is obvious that Christianity also had to be sort of “aryanized”—in other words, the notion of all humankind being one big family in Christ did not translate into Arabs, Blacks and Central Asians being invited to move en masse to Europe and being offered White maidens as brides.

The problem is that time passes and over time and with the help of improving life conditions, all of the radically liberal/egalitarian tenets of Christianity that could not be immediately put into practice by its adherents in the past eventually blossomed into reality.

[Chechar’s interpolated note: This is precisely what Conservative Swede argues in an entry I called “The Red Giant”. See my always-growing collection of similar articles: here.]

As I have pointed out in another thread, a number of philosophers and thinkers (e.g. Eric Voegelin) have established beyond the shadow of a doubt that the deep historical and ideological roots of the Left are to be found in certain Catholic heresies of the High Middle Ages. And it should come as no surprise if one seriously thinks about it for a minute. The leftist egalitarianism that has plagued the West ever since the French Revolution and that has gone into overdrive since the WW2 neither appeared nor has taken root anywhere outside of the realm of the Christian World. To their credit, it wasn’t the Muslim, the Chinese nor the Indian civilizations that invented this crap and in spite of the nominally Communist regime they have in China today, those folks couldn’t care less about any so-called “universal human rights” that have been the epicenter of all forms of Leftism since Rousseau.

Let’s face the fact, my race realist Christian friends: the pseudo-historical figure of Jesus was a typical liberal Jew. The egalitarian cancer that is at the base of the destruction of the White race is just the natural development of a number of elements that are part and parcel of the Christian ideology.

Please tell me how can you guys tell a Black man that although he is your brother in Christ you don’t want to him to live in the same society as you? Or rather, how can you say that with a straight face? And don’t get me wrong, I’m all for racial separation, but mind you, I am not a Christian. I don’t buy for a second the childish notion that we all belong to a big human family in Christ.

Like I have pointed out before on this blog, it puzzles me to see intelligent, well-informed White Nationalists, the overwhelming majority of whom are quite aware of the Jewish question… worshiping an avant la letter revolutionary Jew who owes nothing in terms of radicalism to a liberal Jew like the abominable talk-show host Alan Colmes!

Christian race realists should ponder on Tom Sunic’s brilliant articles on the paradox of a so-called “Christian White Nationalism” that are available both at The Occidental Observer and at The West Darkest Hour. This passage summarizes his view on the subject quite well:

How can a White nationalist, a racialist, or a traditionalist, or whatever he may call himself, and regardless of whether he lives in Europe or America, successfully combat hostile and alien worldviews and adopt different methods of conceptualisation, while at the same time revering these same alien referents and the same paradigms which are, ironically, part and parcel of the same non-European mindset he wishes to reject?

The matrix of the West, as [author] Krebs argues, is no longer territorial or political. It lies in the White man’s experiment with Christianity, which began as merely an obscure Oriental cult—a cult which has absolutely nothing in common with the spiritual homeland of the White man: ancient Greece.

The answer Krebs offers to intelligent White readers in America and Europe who are seeking an exit from the modern multicultural straitjacket and the conceptual mendacity of liberalism is simple, although it will require a great deal of courage: the return to our lost pre-Christian European roots. Novus rerum nascitur ordo.

[Source: here]

A Christian White Nationalism is a self-defeating ideology. You can’t fight the Jewish mental and material onslaught against the White race while you borrow their mythology at the same time. In fact, the situation is even worse than that: Judaism proper is a sadistic cult, whereas Christianity (the fake doctrine the kikes heaped upon you) is a masochistic one. Put gasoline and matches together and you have the picture of our current situation.

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Chechar’s two cents:

Thanks, John.

In the previous post I said that I would read Parrott’s article. I have, and I find that this new sort of reductionism, although intriguing, is unconvincing.

A commenter in Parrott’s article just said, “Now that you have given us the definitive etiology, others don’t have excuses to keep them from devoting their energy towards treatment.” But if that reductionism was true, how would it explain the most extreme cases of self-hatred among whites? I have in mind, for instance, those gentile politicians who strenuously advocate non-white, mass immigration in their countries when such immigration is clearly counter-productive from a strictly economic, “plate tectonics” or “occult war” standpoint (Parrott’s imagery).

Parrott’s model just cannot explain individual pathology. For instance, I recently heard my father talking to my uncle, both in their eighties, in the highest terms about José María Morelos (1765-1815), the insurgent leader who led the Mexican War of Independence.

JOSE MARIA MORELOS Y PAVON

Well, Morelos had black ancestors, like his deputy, Vicente Guerrero. It is said that as a mulatto, to avoid being called names in certain circles, Morelos covered his black curly-hair—obvious black heritage—with the legendary bandana that adorns his head in every picture that represents him. How would Parrott explain my family’s pathology, taking into account that my father and my uncle have zero negro blood in their veins? (You would have to listen my father’s ecstatic panegyric of Morelos a couple of days ago…!)

He can’t. (Just as it is impossible to explain from Parrott’s model why so many whites in the US and in Europe are saying that the white race must disappear in the melting pot.) Instead of an “occult war” I would rather trace my family’s pathologies to their staunch Catholicism and their deranged Christian altruism.

To me, it’s obvious that all mono-reductionist models have holes, and that the best way to approach the subject of the West’s darkest hour is through the metaphor of a witches’ brew (the first quote in this very entry).

39 Comments

  1. John,

    I repost this from our discussion in a Gibbon thread:

    Interesting what Voegelin said about the Middle Ages. Since I used to be a Christian I cannot but see the similarities between today’s secular liberals and the self-harming behavior so patent in the lives of some Saints. The harder you harmed yourself (penitence, severe fasting, mortifications of the flesh), the holier your deranged pals regarded you.

    The Saints merely acted out their emotional issues. Sooner or later I must write an essay showing that secular liberalism is almost identical to St Francis’ psychosis (my hero when I was almost a psychotic teen), regarded by many as the greatest Saint that Christendom produced.

    Incidentally, have you read The Name of the Rose? I ask you this because Umberto Eco’s depiction of the Fraticelli is important to understand the mind of the deranged altruists in today’s secular world.

  2. Pope Pius XI: Speech, 6 September 1938

    “Mark well that in the Catholic Mass, Abraham is our Patriarch and forefather. Anti-Semitism is incompatible with the lofty thought which that fact expresses. It is a movement with which we Christians can have nothing to do. No, no I say to you it is impossible for a Christian to take part in anti-Semitism. It is inadmissible. Through Christ and in Christ we are the spiritual progeny of Abraham. Spiritually we are all Semites.”

    Pope Paul VI: Discourse to the Diplomatic Corps, January 14, 1978

    “For those who believe in God, all human beings, even the least privileged, are sons of the universal Father who created them in his image and guides their destinies with thoughtful love. The fatherhood of God means brotherhood among men: this is a strong point of Christian universalism, a common point, too, with other great religions and an axiom of the highest human wisdom of all times, that which involves the promotion of man’s dignity.”

    Pope John Paul II: Allocution of John Paul II to the U.N. Special Committee against Apartheid, July 7, 1984

    “Man’s creation by God `in his own image’ confers upon every human person an eminent dignity; it also postulates the fundamental equality of all human beings. For the Church, this equality, which is rooted in man’s being, acquires the dimension of an altogether special brotherhood through the Incarnation of the Son of God…. In the Redemption effected by Jesus Christ the Church sees a further basis of the rights and duties of the human person. Hence every form of discrimination based on race…is absolutely unacceptable.”

    Catholic Catechism:
    Part III, Section I, Chapter II

    II. Equality and Differences Among Men

    “1934 Created in the image of the one God and equally endowed with rational souls, all men have the same nature and the same origin. Redeemed by the sacrifice of Christ, all are called to participate in the same divine beatitude: all therefore enjoy an equal dignity.

    1935 The equality of men rests essentially on their dignity as persons and the rights that flow from it:

    Every form of social or cultural discrimination in fundamental personal rights on the grounds of sex, race, color, social conditions, language, or religion must be curbed and eradicated as incompatible with God’s design.”

    The Pontifical Commission of Justice and Peace

    The Church and Racism: Toward a More Fraternal Society

    “The belief that God is at the origin of humankind transcends, unifies and gives meaning to all the partial observations that science can amass about the process of evolution and the development of societies. It is the most radical affirmation of the equal dignity of all persons in God. With this concept, a person eludes all those manipulations of human powers and of ideological propaganda which seek to justify the servitude of the weakest. Faith in the one God, Creator and Redeemer of all humankind made in his image and likeness, constitutes the absolute and unescapable negation of any racist ideologies.”

    • WhiteLight,

      Thanks for this info (and the other you posted below this one).

      • You’re welcome.

  3. The secular doctrine is just the christian doctrine with god removed from the immediate context.

    Compare the Catholic Quotes to these Quotes from the United Nation’s 2001 Durban conference on racism:

    6.

    We further affirm that all peoples and individuals constitute one human family, rich in diversity. They have contributed to the progress of civilizations and cultures that form the common heritage of humanity. Preservation and promotion of tolerance, pluralism and respect for diversity can produce more inclusive societies;

    7.

    We declare that all human beings are born free, equal in dignity and rights and have the potential to contribute constructively to the development and well-being of their societies. Any doctrine of racial superiority is scientifically false, morally condemnable, socially unjust and dangerous, and must be rejected along with theories which attempt to determine the existence of separate human races;

    Also take a look at the European Union’s Directive 2000/43:

    “(6) The European Union rejects theories which attempt to determine the existence of separate human races. The use of the term “racial origin” in this Directive does not imply an acceptance of such theories.”

  4. Even if christ insanity wasn’t pro-White-genocidal, it is an embarrassment to our race that some of our grown men place so little value in the efficacy of critical thought as to jettison it in exchange for a hodgepodge of jewish historical fiction in order to assuage their childlike fear of death.

    It’s pathetic.

    To be suckered into a debate on whether or not jewsus was anti-White begs the question of his existence, which in and of itself, cannot withstand rigorous scrutiny.

    Let’s put first things first.

    • Yep, and I have collected a few scholarly articles on that very subject:

      https://chechar.wordpress.com/2012/12/24/the-historical-jesus/

      • Another interesting point to make is that christian historians are not reliable. If you read the medieval christian historians they are either living in a world where miracles of the most bizarre kinds are taking place all the time, or they are repeating fake stories as fact.

        The vast majority of christians will say that medieval historians are unreliable, yet they will hold dogmatically that the christian texts (the small percentage that became canon by council votes) are reliable.

  5. A Christian White Nationalism is a self-defeating ideology. You can’t fight the Jewish mental and material onslaught against the White race while you borrow their mythology at the same time.

    Since I’m discussing this with atheists, I’m going to set aside the transcendent aspects and make primarily temporal arguments.

    The message Jesus of Nazareth presented was antithetical to the program of the Pharisees (Jews, as it’s understood today). To be fully resistant to subversion and corruption (which in his case and ours is primarily Jewish/Pharisaic in origin) requires absolving ourselves of lust, gluttony, greed, sloth, wrath, envy, and pride.

    Viewed from this perspective, the Gospel is a primer on resisting Jewish subversion at its root, as merely opposing or expelling Jews as Jews is not sufficient. Politically, I believe the early Church served a temporal function as a sort of immune system reaction to the Jewish Question throughout the Roman Empire, and therein lied its sweeping viral appeal and effectiveness.

    The indigenous folk traditions and myriad mystery cults of the time simply didn’t arm their communities against this problem. They simply didn’t offer answers to the prominent questions of that age…an age which echoes our own in many ways.

    How would Parrott explain my family’s pathology, taking into account that my father and my uncle have zero negro blood in their veins? (You would have to listen my father’s ecstatic panegyric of Morelos a couple of days ago…!)

    He can’t. (Just as it is impossible to explain from Parrott’s model why so many whites in the US and in Europe are saying that the white race must disappear in the melting pot.) Instead of an “occult war” I would rather trace my family’s pathologies to their staunch Catholicism and their deranged Christian altruism.

    Altruism and idealism are precisely what our people need. The cool, pragmatic, calculating, and selfish ideology of Raskolnikov is half of our race’s problem, with the other half of our race’s problem being that our Christian and White altruism and idealism have been misdirected toward our being cuckolded and destroyed as a people by our opponents.

    Your family is abstract and idealistic because it’s White. This played out in a Latin American Catholic context because that was the context, and the Catholic Church at that time (and this time) was largely a pliant instrument of the lust, gluttony, greed, sloth, wrath, envy, and pride of its financial masters to whom it had no choice but to submit.

    Finally, parsimony is the simple answer to why our current anti-White hysteria is an inversion of Christianity. Were we pagan, it would be an inversion of paganism. A selective and motivated reading of our folk mythology can certainly be twisted to support such a narrative. Any tradition with enough words in it can be reshuffled by the wrong people for the wrong reasons in just about any direction.

    Christianity excused slavery; Christianity condemned slavery. Christianity was the motivation for empire; Christianity was the motivation for anti-colonialism. Christianity fueled the famed Protestant work ethic; Christianity bred the slums of indigent lumpenproles.

    Islam is globalist and multicultural; Nation of Islam is ethnically tribalist and parochial. Islam is a religion of peace; Islam is a religion of war. The problem’s a general one, and Christianity as a civic religion is unfairly credited for and unfairly maligned as the various oligarchies controlling it drift in and out of frame.

    This brings me back to my thesis, which is that these sacred texts and ideologies are putty in the hands of whoever has real power and that all of this commentary on the shifting and evolving ideals and neuroses of the West largely amounts to a shadow puppet theater review.

    • Does it bother you that christ has been identified by the elites as the ruler of the new world order?

      Alice Bailey: The Reappearance of Christ Chapter 7:

      “First, the activity to be felt in the “centre where the will of God is known,” that will-to-good which has carried all creation on toward a greater glory and a steadily deepening, intelligent responsiveness. This today is creatively endeavouring to bring in the new world order, the order of the Kingdom of God under the physical supervision of the Christ. This might be regarded as the externalisation of the spiritual Hierarchy of our planet. Of this, the return of the Christ to visible activity will be the sign and the symbol.”

    • And by the elites that dislike pharisaic jewish “materialistic” nationalism in favor of pure spiritualist universalism I will add.

    • “Viewed from this perspective, the Gospel is a primer on resisting Jewish subversion at its root”

      The fact that the entire N.T. is supposedly a fullfillment of Jewish prophesy does not equate with being a ‘primer for resistance’.

      Furthermore, the benefit of the new faith assumes that the ancient and prior, metaphysical (Hellenistic) mystery cults and schools were insufficient in comparison to what Christianity gave Western man?

      The traditional metaphysics of Xtianity are not unique, nor is the idea of a unifying solar hero. It looks more like the Gospel was an enabler of Jewish subversion by eroding the traditional learning centers which favored reason, logic, and initiation above ‘faith’ when approaching the divine (Plotinus).

      “The indigenous folk traditions and myriad mystery cults of the time simply didn’t arm their communities against this problem. They simply didn’t offer answers to the prominent questions of that age…”

      Wow, that’s some existential insight. Were you there at the time?

      Almost all scholars that make this claim are Christian and are referring to upheveals of The Crisis of the Third Century; the discontent of the proletariat is used as evidence that paganism had ‘failed’.

      Hellenistic philosophy provides answers to a variety of existential questions for intelligent people; for the unintelligent, yes, I’m sure Xtianity provided solace.

    • Matt,

      Re: Jesus’ message. I believe it is a difficult topic since it is not clear who the historical Jesus was. We got the Jesus of the gospels, right, but those texts are problematic as shown in my bare link of my response to Marr.

      Since I’m discussing this with atheists…

      Nope, I am not an atheist! :)

      The indigenous folk traditions and myriad mystery cults of the time simply didn’t arm their communities against this problem…

      But you are talking of the later stages of Rome, when all those mystery cults from Asia had been brought by a system that did not care any longer for the people of indigenous stock.

      Before the Roman decadence, Sparta did not have to elaborate a religion of Semitic inspiration to defend their stock against Jewry, for the simple reason that, unlike the decadent Athenians and the later Romans, they strictly forbade miscegenation.

      In other words, pure whites had the perfect defense mechanism of antiquity against the Semitic tribe, as Manu Rodríguez has been arguing in this blog.

      O/T, thanks for defending me in that old MR thread I recently alluded to at OD. In the past I had been too naïve when interacting with trolls. It’s late to say “thank you” but it’s better to say it late than never…

  6. Prefiguring the need for a fictitious god-man is the even more pernicious abstraction of an immortal soul, which inherently usurps the role of race as the only real super-mortal aspect of individual existence.

    Jewsus is genocide.

  7. Reblogged this on oogenhand and commented:

    “In fact, the situation is even worse than that: Judaism proper is a sadistic cult, whereas Christianity (the fake doctrine the kikes heaped upon you) is a masochistic one.”

    Judeo-Islam and Christianity are insane in opposite directions. Well spoken.

  8. It isn’t fair to bash Jesus for being “a Jew”, any more than it is to bash Chechar for being a Mexican. Modern Jews are the mongrelized bastards of the original Judeans, deformed by urbanization and materialism. Jesus is part of a dead race now.

    I see the narrative of Jesus fighting the Pharisees as very much in line with Rosenberg’s Myth. An idealistic traditionalist tries to restore a decaying society, but is killed by greed and self-absorption. The society winds up a broken, mongrelized shell, but the act of defiance lives on.

    Most of the White race’s great empires where Christian. Most of our great artists and composers and architects were as well. Most of our great leaders and warriors, the list goes on. Most modern atheists are trash by comparison, politically almost identical to Jews. Clearly Christianity isn’t as bad as some say; there’s never been – as far as I know – a great White nation or leader in the last 1,000 years that dropped Christianity for paganism or atheism, even though many held Classical writers in great esteem.

    I still don’t see any way to reconcile Christianity with the modern race crisis though, or with evolutionary theory in general. Almost all forms of Christianity operate under a certain metaphysical framework, where every human has one equally special and rational soul, and nothing else has any, and the purpose of life is to convince Jesus to let your soul go to the eternal heaven, and so on. This just isn’t going to cut it any more.

    Christianity is hardly the only religion facing this problem, but the White race is the only race seriously facing it, and most of us are Christians. Forms of Christianity that don’t follow this pattern, like Christian Identity, simply aren’t large enough or well-established to fix the problem, and conservative “Kinists” and the like aren’t sufficiently radical for the coming century.

    I don’t think Christianity is bad, but it’s not enough anymore.

    • >>>It isn’t fair to bash Jesus for being “a Jew”<<<

      No, it's not. It's idiotic.

      A non-existent person is neither jew nor gentile.

      • Jimmy,

        My educated guess is that if we had machines to see the past and we could watch what really happened in 1st century Palestine we would certainly see the life of a Yeshu who had fame as a faith healer, fell in disgrace before the Jewish authorities and was crucified by the Romans; no more than that. (The human, all too human aspects of the historical Yeshu in these “machines to see the past” would refute every single tenet of those who still believe in the Christ of dogma.)

      • “Do you really think it all began with a sanctimonious Jewish wonder-worker, strolling about 1st century Palestine? Prepare to be enlightened.” – Kenneth M. Humphries

        Watch parallels to the Holohoax narrative (link).

      • But of course: that’s a matter of scholarly opinion. See my above links to serious studies on the “historical Jesus”.

    • Stubbs,

      As I told Matt, I am not an atheist, and I agree with what you say above. But those great Christian empires you mention were sort of Aryanized.

      The trouble is the HIV universalist virus that the West caught since the formation of the “Catholic” (i.e., “Universal”) Church. That mental virus was dormant but awoke after the Enlightenment / French Revolution (AIDS), which abandoned Christianity but ironically strengthened Christian axiology—egalitarianism, universalism and individualism in the sense that, instead of you having a duty with your ethny, you now have an individual duty with God; or, in secular times, a conception of morality as individual morality, not group morality (Jews on the other hand have group morality).

      My guess is that, hadn’t the Imperial Church destroyed all sorts of paganism, the West would have developed at least as healthy empires than those we got in real history. In other words, I attribute the thriving of those Christian empires you mention to the Aryan mind per se.

      • The trouble is the HIV universalist virus that the West caught since the formation of the “Catholic” (i.e., “Universal”) Church. That mental virus was dormant but awoke after the Enlightenment / French Revolution (AIDS)

        So, Christianity was a lethal plague that remained benign for an entire millennium? And just happened to activate at the precise historical moment that Europe was flooded with an historically unprecedented economic singularity?

        Do you not see this as sort of like saying that the dinosaurs went extinct because of climate change, which just happened to be around the same time that a space rock blew out the Yucatan Peninsula?

      • No Matt: you are forgetting what I told you at the recent OD thread.

        Christianity was highly destructive from the beginning. I have articles here at WDH that quote from the monumental work by Karlheinz Deschner, Kriminalgeschichte des Christentums. You can see there that the Imperial Church started to destroy entire libraries and invaluable monuments of the classical world that represented the very soul of our Indo-European heritage and ancient wisdom.

        And even when ethno-interests are considered, in addition to the cultural destruction Constantinople (like today’s West) favored a melting-pot society that diluted the White gene even since the first centuries of its foundation. So diluted in fact that they had to import Goths to form elite troops that defended the so-called Rome of the East.

        Hadn’t Constantinople become so mongrelized after a few centuries of color-blind Christianity (e.g., had they behaved like the Spartans who never allowed contamination of their blood) they wouldn’t have succumbed to Islam.

        So even in the thousand years of Christendom you mention the cultural and racial mess that Christianity caused is manifest to any honest reader of history.

      • “the Imperial Church started to destroy entire libraries and invaluable monuments of the classical world that represented the very soul of our Indo-European heritage and ancient wisdom.”

        Amen. And that’s why whites cannot reassert themselves; their foundations were destroyed and replaced with a Semitic god.

        The core problem is a confused spiritual identity; all of the other issues, be it miscegenation, liberalism, capitalism, Marxism, scientism, the cult of the bourgeois consumer, etc. … are all the by-product of de-Aryanization via Christianity.

  9. I recently stumbled across an entry on this site that made a reference to Nature’s Eternal Religion. I have spent hours and hours listening to the audio format while I travel and work. (link)

    I have learned more about the Bible in the last month than in the last 40 years… and I’m not all that impressed. In fact, I can see why so many people are drifting away from the church, including my Father who was brought up Catholic and my Mother who was brought up Lutheran. I was baptized RC in what appears to have been an appeasement to Dad’s family, but have only been to church 3 times. The interesting thing is that I always considered myself to be living by Christian principles and thought of myself as a Christian. After listening to NER, I have to seriously reconsider that position.

    Having said that, NER misses the mark for me, in that I haven’t felt like it offered anything of substance for the average person to use in place of Christianity. At least nothing that really sparks a spiritual fire. I understand that this is a site for intellectuals, but if the masses had to deal with day to day life and not have some spiritual relief, they would turn to booze and drugs and sex to fill the void ;-)

    My point is that I’m starting to believe that Christianity should be scrapped, but something needs to be offered in it’s place. A sort of Church of the European Spirit, where people can live a spiritual life with others of a like mind. As absurd as it may sound to people here, I have had several profound spiritual experiences in my life, where I felt a connection to the creative power that binds us. There is no way to prove this, but it makes me feel better about living, and when I share these experiences with others, something special happens… we share a kindred connection and feel better about life.

    From what I can see, NS was very much a spiritual program that unleashed the power of the German spirit. A new religion that builds on those principles, and offers itself to Whites around the world as a modern salvation from multiculturalism would probably stand a better chance of uniting people than any WN political movement.

    It may take a few hundred years, but Hitler seemed to think the Germans would create a new national community. Perhaps it will be all White peoples coming together in the face of oblivion.

    • “A sort of Church of the European Spirit, where people can live a spiritual life with others of a like mind. As absurd as it may sound to people here…”

      Not absurd at all, Eric. See the articles by Manu Rodríguez linked at the sidebar. He is saying exactly that…

      • Thanks for pointing me in the right direction Chechar. This site is a breath of fresh air for me.

        I originally came here from a link at Stormfront. I like what you have here, and it will keep me from witnessing all of the petty bickering about pointless news clips and such over there.

        I am taking a break and will spend more time educating myself with your resources. SF has a ton of great information, but it’s too easy for me to get sucked into the vortex of negativity.

        All the best from out West.

        Oh… is there a search function available for this site? Something where I can type in a query on any random topic I might be interested in.

      • There are several ways: just search for a word either in or outside the search box (outside it will get you to the category section at the sidebar if there’s a category on the subject you are interested in). If you want to search for entire phrases do it thru google + WDH.

    • I enjoyed reading your heartfelt comment, and, even from your mere words, I can tell your spirit is in the right place.

      That religion will come; it HAS to come. We lost the religious war long before we lost the intellectual (Culture of Critique) the economic (capitalist orthodoxy) and the physical (world war 2).

      It will come, there is always hope. Once, there was a general polytheism that ran though the currents of all pre-Christian European peoples. Though their Gods differed in names and appearances, and their stories varied in relation and complexity, all pre-Chrisitian European peoples believed that their myriad of different Gods all came from the same eternal, mystical source.

      Though I may worship Odin, the All-father, while you worship Dagda, his Celtic near-equivalent, we all agree they were Gods from a same, mystical source, tied to our people in blood and spirit.

      When critiquing European paganism, Christians often deride what they consider the “metaphysical simplicity” of something like Asatru in comparison to the seeming political complexity and bureaucratic power you’d see in the Christian’s council of Nicea.

      However, it is my firm belief that had Christianity never taken hold over Europe, a religious synthesis would have developed amongst the European polytheism’s on the understanding that all the Gods come from a prime “mystical source” that ancient Europeans all understand.

      “There is only one God: My God.” is a very Semitic belief, unfit for the European spirit. A Roman did not tell a German that his Gods were “false,” only different representations the same spiritual foundations.

      I also had a hunch, that when this synthesis would occur, this European religion would have known that it was by, for, and deeply connected to Europeans and Europeans only.

      • Thank you for the kind words and your outstanding post. Your optimism feeds my spirit, and something seemingly as simple as reading your post puts a little pep in my step ;-)

        However, it is my firm belief that had Christianity never taken hold over Europe, a religious synthesis would have developed amongst the European polytheism’s on the understanding that all the Gods come from a prime “mystical source” that ancient Europeans all understand.

        I also had a hunch, that when this synthesis would occur, this European religion would have known that it was by, for, and deeply connected to Europeans and Europeans only.

        This is exactly what I have been feeling, and conveying to (White) people when I touch on my spiritual talks with others… that we share something special, something special that is alive inside of our genetic code as European (Americans), and something that needs to be cherished and safeguarded. A sort of moral racialism, as opposed to “it’s all the ni66ers, sp!cks, and jews to blame” (which really seems to turn people off in my opinion).

        My goal is to aspire to be the best I can be… physically, mentally, and spiritually. I’m a work in progress.

        Take care.

  10. Congratulations, Chechar, on the direction “The West’s Darkest Hour” is presently taking: the decline of the West has ultimately “spiritual” causes.

    Similarly, the rebirth of Europe will require spiritual remedies: a radical “metanoia” – in the etymological sense of the word, not the Christian one – or “Umwertung aller Werte”.

    You may like my web-page: http://www.suprahumanism.com, in which I have tried to sketch the history and the content of this new “spiritual conversion” or “reevaluation of all values”.

    • Thank you. I also have a few posts on the Umwertung here. And I am a big fan of Wagner’s Tristan too, Cheers!

  11. Reblogged this on Rise of The West and commented:
    We, here, at Rise of The West, do not engage, on a consistent or deliberate ‘religious’ dialogue, but found the following discussion (in the Comments section) to be worthy of viewing and, perhaps, to discuss amongst the readership.

    It is a tragic and incalculable loss of vitality for the West, to engage in constant re-application, re-affirmation, and continual re-assessment of an eschatology which, to date, has been determined by ‘universalists’ and ‘redeemers’ who, one and all, have forgotten and discarded, the necessary ‘blood and bone’ relationship between ourselves, and the only true marker of a people; the spiritual value will, of necessity, follow the manifestation of form (i.e. race), and a true ‘religion’ of the Folk will emerge.

  12. I wrote an article about the ugly origins of the Christian movement called “The Devil at the Crossroads – A Critical Juncture for the White Man”. The ancients knew it was an alien disease from the beginning.

  13. “..it was Nationalists who defended White Europe from invaders. Not Christians but Nationalists. Christians had no desire to help one another despite the pleas that were sent by Kings from the Balkans when the Muslim Turks were invading. Europe was defended by Stephen cel Mare of Moldavia, Vlad Tepes of Wallachia, Ivan the IV of Muscovy, Ferdinand of Spain, amongst others. These men were Nationalist Champions first and foremost. They faught for their kin, for their family. Nationalists were the ones who fended off the invaders, NOT Christians. Christianity has done nothing to give internal security, nor external security. It’s crap as a police force, and worse as a military force. It causes destruction of all those who believe it.”

    http://anotherandrosphereblog.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/is-christianity-good-thing-for-white.html

  14. I cannot locate the link. But you had a one for what you started to read as you were trying to leave Christian mind-set. To feel Ok about this Christian made damnation for leaving their faith

    • Just curious, who are you responding to?

  15. Honesty, nobody.. Did I hit reply by mistake ? I have been reading all the topics you have regarding Christianity. I though you linked somewhere that there were some articles or writing that helped you overcome the Christian poison about burning in hell etc. when you starting your exit from the faith. From a newspaper article..

    I cannot locate it on your site.. If you don’t know Ill keeping looking.


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