Law’s article

Further to my previous post. I’ve now read the article by philosopher Stephen Law (pic) and largely agree with the two principles he discusses. However, Law is wrong that Carl Sagan invented the principle ‘extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence’. I discovered such principle in the writings of CSICOP writers before Sagan became famous. The second principle however is an original of Law:

Where testimony/documents weave together a narrative that combines mundane claims with a significant proportion of extraordinary claims, and there is good reason to be sceptical about those extraordinary claims, then there is good reason to be sceptical about the mundane claims, at least until we possess good independent evidence of their truth. [emphasis added]

Lew is talking about the historicity of the mundane, or non-miraculous, gospel narratives. Those who watched Carrier’s lecture embedded in the previous post will remember his presentation of the field of New Testament studies as divided into three competing viewpoints:

(1) Christian historicity: Jesus was an amazing famous superman who could walk on water and shit—the majority of so-called biblical scholars in the US believe this.

(2) Secular historicity: Jesus was an ordinary man, whom no one noted but a few fanatical observers. The Gospels are mostly fiction, but there are kernels of historical truth in them. This is what I used to believe up to the last week, when I discovered mythicism or:

(3) Secular non-historicity: Jesus was the name of a celestial being, subordinate to god, with whom Saul/Paul hallucinated conversations. The Gospel began as a mythic allegory about the celestial Jesus, set on earth, as most myths then were (e.g., the god Osiris).

Law elaborates his second principle in the context of the three competing theories to explain the origins of Christianity. His conclusion is that secular non-historicity is the best approach to explain it.

Regular visitors of this site will remember that I have mentioned the work of Albert Schweitzer while discussing the (quixotic) quest of the historical Jesus. Yesterday I was struggling with myself as to who was right, Schweitzer or Carrier. Schweitzer’s view was that the apocalyptic Jesus makes historical sense from the viewpoint of secular historicity because his prophecy was unfulfilled (‘Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God’).

Law’s piece resolved my doubts in a more parsimonious way than Schweitzer because the New Testament ‘is a story developed by myth-makers who had certain radical ethical and other views (e.g. the Kingdom of God being imminent) that they wanted others to accept’. Since those who advanced apocalyptic eschatology were Paul (in his very first epistles), Mark and Matthew, it is unnecessary to postulate a historical Jesus in the secular historicity sense. Per Occam’s razor and Law’s second principle, considering the evangelists’ books as the product of mere literary fiction is enough.

I was raised as a Catholic in the 1960s and 70s and then became an eschatologist (William Walter’s ‘Eschatology’ is a schismatic cult originated in Christian Science). After I left the cult, since the middle 1980s through the middle 1990s I became interested in secular historicity and did not change my views on the so-called historical Jesus until last week. However, I doubt that those who have not struggled with religious parental introjects will find this post interesting.

My biography aside, I believe that the ultimate truth about the origins of Christianity is pivotal to save the white race from extinction. Those white nationalists who are traditional Christians have stagnated in Christian historicity, and many secular WNsts assume that the second stage, secular historicity, is the most plausible one. What whites need is a complete rejection of the New Testament, even the notion of a non-miraculous historical Jesus, as the NT was largely written by men of Semitic origin.

If universal, Christian-inspired love, is murdering the Aryan race what we need is full apostasy from Judeo-Christianity. This means that we should consider secular non-historicity or mythicism seriously.

7 Comments

  1. Falling down the mythicist rabbit hole is a highly pleasurable experience. However, here is the opposing view by Tim O’ Neill.

    • What’s the best evidence for secular historicity (considering that the burden of proof rests upon the shoulders of those making the extraordinary claim)?

      • It is not an extraordinary claim that there was a Mishnaic Rabbi called “Yeshua” born of parents Miriam and Yoseph in Bethlehem, who proclaimed that he was the Mâôshiach or “Messiah/Christ/annointed king of a restored Israeli kingdom,” and was crucified by the Romans once they got wind of His seditious ambitions. These are perfectly ordinary claims.

        However, “Joseph”, Christ’s father, seems to be totally fictitious, somebody robbed from the Book of Genesis. Both Josephs went to Egypt and had “Jacob” as their father.

        Should Joseph not be Christ’s father – but the rest of the story be true – then, in my opinion, there is no minimal historicity.

        I kinda take the position of Aron Ra. There were Rabbi Yeshuas in the region at that time. Christ is a composite character drawn from the tales and legends of these guys. The historical “schmuck” at the center of the contradictory gospels and epistles and apocalypse bears no relation to the Christ of Christianity, the only Christ who matters. Therefore He might as well not exist

      • But you have not read Law’s paper. His whole point is mixing Principle 1 (“extraordinary claims…”) with Principle 2 (“…mundane claims”).

      • Yeah, there is a video by Humphries on this:

        Obviously I would prefer if Jesus never existed. This is my bias. However, I am only interested in truth, not what I would like to be the truth.

        Also, it is a Catholic tradition that nobody knows where Saint Joseph is buried. Some mystics and prophets of Catholicism claim that when Saint Joseph’s tomb is discovered, then that is a sign of the end times.

        That nobody in the Catholic Church, the oldest surviving Christian sect, knows where Saint Joseph is buried, is indicative of his being totally fictitious in my view.

      • You have to become familiar with Law’s online paper before realizing the thrust of his argument (or even better, order Carrier’s latest book, which will reach my home next week).

        Once you grasp Law’s argument together with Earl Doherty’s The Jesus Puzzle you’ll see why I changed my mind.


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