Open thread:

Is Charles Manson good for Hitler’s 88 words?

Below I’ve cut and pasted my response to Joseph Walsh in the previous thread, whom I met in London five years ago. He said:

On Charles Manson, I remember you quoting Jake F. saying Atomwaffen Division members were “unhinged, to say the least” but at the same time you are a Mexican who wants the genocide of 99% of humans including all Mexicans so society would of course see you as “unhinged, to say the least”.

I am not a Mexican. Click on my avatar and you’ll see me as a baby. The overwhelming majority of Mexicans don’t look like that as babies. The overwhelming majority of Mexicans are Christians. I am not. Mexicans of the upper class are liberals, even the Catholics. I am not a liberal. The overwhelming majority of Mexicans eat meat. I do not, nor do I like football as they do.

I come from parents who in the early 1960s were premiering orchestra pieces at Utica, New York with my father as the composer and my mother as the piano interpreter of my dad’s symphonic music. The overwhelming majority of Mexicans are not heirs of classical music, not even remotely.

As to ‘unhinged’, my philosophy is as unhinged as that declaration of Schopenhauer that it’s better that suffering mankind should be called home, or as Bertrand Russell’s statements that all of mankind should be exterminated. Unlike pessimist Russell, I am only saying that the most beautiful whites, with empathy toward the animals, must be spared from such exterminationist fantasies. That still may sound unhinged to the majority of ears, but could it be common sense from the POV of an ET mind? (cf. Arthur C. Clarke’s last words in Report on Planet Three).

I think you tend to overestimate your importance. Most of what you publish on your blog is writings from other people, you have not really said anything too original but rather summarized modern Aryan ideology. If the Aryan race does become extinct it won’t be because it didn’t read the blog of a Mexican!

True. But my really original stuff is my 1,600-page book trilogy that, after I finish my backup PDFs, I may start to translate.

Sometimes you come across as pompous and it wouldn’t surprise me if you eventually shut down comments altogether and just talk to yourself.

I only reject those comments that, as Mauricio says above, demoralise the true Aryan; those silly pro-Christian comments after they’re told repeatedly to stop their preaching; those Meds who openly resort to insult because of my Nordicism (Dr. Morales), and a troll from Florida who uses many sockpuppets and who I believe was also banned in other racialist forums.

I notice you are friendly to people when you like what they’re saying but then you cast them off as soon as they’ve outlived their usefulness.

Examples please? As Evropa Soberana does in his site, I could have not allowed a single comment since 2011. But I’ve allowed thousands of them. I now believe that Vig was right: time matters. Sometimes I even suspect that the pessimists like Devan are not ethnically Aryans and just come here to demoralize the would-be soldiers. Other times I find out that they are mudbloods that hate me because of my Nordicism.

Though you portray yourself as some inheritor to the National Socialist legacy this is nonsense as non-Aryans can have nothing to do with National Socialism.

I portray myself as an admirer of NS, not as a National Socialist. Even the real Nazis admitted some Spaniards from the Franco regime to fight in a battle, right? What’s wrong with that?

Moreover what you endorse (The Turner Diaries solution) was not something Hitler would endorse. National Socialism and C.T.’s ideology are two different things.

Of course. NS thrived before the West’s darkest hour. Now that the darkest time has already come, and that the age of treason is everywhere, it’s time for a scorched-Earth policy.

And while you talk about kooks who believe in conspiracy theories I believe you followed cults and paranormal nonsense up until your 40’s.

Until the early 1990s to be precise, when I was in my early thirties. I did not believe in parapsychology for character flaws, but because, as I’ve explained elsewhere, I was tortured at seventeen and needed a defence mechanism.

But the real point is that, in times before the internet, it was virtually impossible to obtain the right information. I mentioned above November 1989. Major CSI figures visited Mexico City in that month. Finally, I could read the sceptical books they brought here from the US.

Unlike you I awoke when I was 13 and…

How can Neo unplug himself from the Matrix if no Morpheus contacts him through the internet? Did you awake thanks to the internet? If not, even in London pro-white info used to be far more reachable than in Mexico before the age of the internet! Yours is reasoning under a false analogy.

I have been interested in the white race since I was 17. I’m now 31.

So you were born in the late 1980s. I was interested in the white race since Second Grammar School, that is 1966, when I was 8/9-years-old, as I confess in the last book of my trilogy.

That means much more time to develop my thoughts unlike you who only awoke in 2008 when you were 50.

By ‘awakening at fifty’ I meant that before that year I did not even know that white nationalism existed or any website defending the West. I started to awake by the end of 2008, as soon as I discovered that info on the internet. Before I started to use the internet, the germane info I used to get in Mexico was almost zilch compared to the info an average American gets in the US. The main pro-white figures are not mentioned, ever, in the Mexican media. Conversely, the Phil Donahue Show at least interviewed Jared Taylor in the 1990s; 60 Minutes also interviewed William Pierce long ago, etc.

And you can put down the Charles Manson… but the future belongs to the white youth and those whites being born at present, not old Mexican boomers.

I’ve never claimed that any Mexican (a real Mexican I mean) should or will inherit the Earth. Rather, my point is that none of the Charles Manson fans—not one of them—has ever provided in this site, or in the book Siege, any rational argument as to why Manson is good for the 14 words. The only thing I hear from them is a blind admiration with no rationale for such admiration.

Perhaps I should add a new post with the title: ‘Open thread: Why is Manson good for Hitler’s 88 words?’ I bet none will advance a single compelling argument, even if I add no further post tomorrow to give critics a chance to focus on the hatnote question above…

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  1. When you say Mexicans are Catholics, liberals, eat meat, like football and are not interested in classical music and you are not like them those things are behaviours whereas Mexican is an ethnicity so just because you don’t partake of those behaviours doesn’t make you a different ethnicity. For example I am part Irish-part English and most Englishman and Irishman are Christians who like football and are not interested in classical music unlike myself but that doesn’t make me ethnically different from them. However I’m inclined to agree with you that you have a lot more of a Whiter background than most Mexicans. Moreover I’ve met you and from my own judgement I’d say you looked like a Spaniard. But still once Chris White said you were a mestizo and you told me that was technically true at the time.

    Of course I don’t think your philosophy is unhinged I agree with it almost in its entirety. Misanthropy is a logical reaction to humanity. I mean most humans would think it is unhinged. The reason I said that was to demonstrate that though you look upon those who like Charles Manson as unhinged, from another perspective most ‘normies’ would say you were unhinged too. Reading the thread on Manson was actually quite funny as you have a man who wants to exterminate 99% of humans arguing with a teenager (Jack Halliday) and telling him those who like Charles Manson deserve to be on the T4 program. I guess that means people like James Mason, Joseph Paul Franklin, myself, Jack Halliday and others should be sent on the equivalent of Aktion T4 because we like Manson. That was the way you came off. It did feel like your genocidal desires were directed to anyone who didn’t have exactly the same thoughts as yourself (not that I’m claiming there’s anything wrong with hating everyone else to one degree or another).

    I forgot about your personal books and I agree you have done original work from what I’ve read of your books. Even though certain of your ideas come from Pierce and Kemp etc. you have a way of portraying those ideas that is better than Pierce and Kemp and Lane etc. themselves. You do have a very good understanding of what is wrong with the white race and you have the right approach in how to solve the white race’s problems. I can’t fault you there.

    I liked reading SS Division Poltergeist’s and Devan’s comments even though I didn’t agree with them that things are over for the Aryan race (because realistically, they’re not). But those Christian commenters were annoying and I don’t know why they even came here. You did tolerate them for a long while too. Anyway, even if you did eventually shut down comments it’s your site so it’s your choice.

    If you are an admirer of National Socialism that’s fair enough. Nothing wrong with non-Aryans fighting for the Nordic-Germanic cause as long as they realize that the struggle is to save pure Aryans not Aryans who have lost their blood purity (which I know you do realize). Anti-Nordicist NS is an oxymoron. And anti-Nordicist Nordics are bent on their own extinction.

    Sorry, you were into the paranormal up until your early 30’s not your early 40’s, my error. It is a good point you make about the difference of you not having the internet when you were young in comparison with me and others younger than you and something I totally overlooked. I didn’t awake through the internet, interestingly enough it was through the film The Matrix. And not even really the movie itself as I heard a song at the end of the film by a band called Rage Against The Machine (the machine referring to the System in society but in Matrix terms the System is obviously the Matrix itself). I stole a CD of their’s from my Auntie’s husband in summer 2001. They were Left-wing degenerates but it made me anti-government, politicised me and I lost my desire to conform and ‘fit it’. After them I got into Heavy Metal and Satanism leading to interest in Nietzsche and Hitler by the time I turned 17 in 2005, largely with the help of the internet of course.

    I’ve been interested in Manson since I was 16 so when I came across James Mason’s Siege in 2007 the parts on Manson made sense to me. If you don’t like Charles Manson I doubt you’re going to be convinced by any argument but you can have the open thread on Manson if you want. Problem is those who do like Manson may not be reading your site at the time so they won’t contribute to the thread.

    Despite my criticisms of you I do respect you for your excellent work as always. I even wrote on Jake and Blake’s Volkisch.org website that it was an honour to have you met you in person 5 years ago. But the criticisms have been on my mind recently, the first real criticisms I’ve had since I started reading your site back in 2011.

    A last point which is off-topic. The elite of the Aryan race are the last hope for humanity. If they don’t succeed and Aryans reach the point of no return humanity is finished. The Neanderthals will have won. They will inherit the Earth. Humanity will be a failed, fucked up, evolutionary dead-end. Misanthropy will be all there is to feel for humanity. I’ll be rooting for the animals.

    • Left, some of my uncles and an aunt in a costume party.

      However I looked as a baby, I have never claimed to be ethnically pure. Remember what I said above about Second Grammar School? I have a cousin, nephew of my uncle second left. When my cousin, who sat beside me at that school, visited the US as a child and told Americans that ‘he was Mexican’ they didn’t believe it. He’s whiter than me with blond hair, blue eyes and a more elongated skull. But the anecdote makes the point: the whiter Mexicans don’t look like Mexicans from WASPs’ eyes when they visit the US. Another of my ‘Mexican’ cousins who moved to the US even told the WASPs that he was Spanish, which is a lie. But the point is that he rather looked like a Spaniard than a Mexican.

      Culture is pivotal. If I place myself in Venn Diagrams with the average Mexican, you’ll see that we look like this: I share virtually nothing of the average Mexican as to their mind and set of values, and the average Mexican shares nothing of my values. It’s really like the formula at the footnote of the image: Cesar vs. the average Mexican have virtually zero in common.

      But still once Chris White said you were a mestizo and you told me that was technically true at the time.

      Chris forgets that there are categories in Mexico for the gradations of blood mixture. From the POV of an Englishman like him who has never visited this country, any person from Mexico travelling to the UK is a ‘mestizo’. But there are words here, like ‘castizos’ and ‘harnizos’. Phenotypically, they look like some Spaniards. For someone who ignores such words it’s understandable that the only available term for anyone who travels with a Mexican passport is ‘mestizo’. I would say that ‘mestizo’ is the right word for the millions of Mexicans who invade the US. But as I said, my cousin who moved there was so different that he denied his geographical ancestry.

      Reading the thread on Manson was actually quite funny as you have a man who wants to exterminate 99% of humans arguing with a teenager (Jack Halliday) and telling him those who like Charles Manson deserve to be on the T4 program.

      I think it was commenter RevileChrist, another Manson fan, who first said that in a January thread on this site.

      I guess that means people like James Mason, Joseph Paul Franklin, myself, Jack Halliday and others should be sent on the equivalent of Aktion T4 because we like Manson.

      I did not mean that. The teenager was baiting me and—my mistake—I answered in an equally adolescent tone by quoting RevileChrist but audaciously inverting what RC was telling. This is one of the reasons why comments must be moderated. It’s so easy that a teenager like Halliday baits a boomer once his comment automatically passes through. Teens like Halliday are great at trolling the Xtian sites with relatively young admins (OD’s admin for example). But the gravitas of a boomer like me is a little more severe to tolerate this sort of behaviour.

      That was the way you came off. It did feel like your genocidal desires were directed to anyone who didn’t have exactly the same thoughts as yourself…

      No: I was only upset by the Charles Manson fans in the above-linked thread who didn’t want to answer questions like the bold-typed hatnote of the above post.

      I’ve been interested in Manson since I was 16 so when I came across James Mason’s Siege in 2007 the parts on Manson made sense to me. If you don’t like Charles Manson I doubt you’re going to be convinced by any argument but you can have the open thread on Manson if you want. Problem is those who do like Manson may not be reading your site at the time so they won’t contribute to the thread.

      My hypothesis—and it’s just a hypothesis—is that, like me, you were also tortured at seventeen (you know what I mean, but I don’t want to share it publicly).

      The big difference between us is age and what I have done with those three extra decades compared to your 31 years (I will be 61 this month): I researched child/teen abuse thoroughly and processed my pain in the long process. By the way, that’s why I banned Adunai who today has commented on this thread (so it’s not a total ban) when he asked me what’s wrong with the old practice of burning your child alive. Adunai has no empathy to grasp what his words will cause in someone like me, and I am fed up of his unnecessary provocations (SS Division Poltergeist did something similar in a context different from child abuse: the Hellstorm Holocaust).

      The point is that those who don’t process their pain, instead of speaking out autobiographically use more primitive defence mechanisms—cf. the teenager’s infatuation with school shooters (akin to those who feel an extreme fascination with Manson).

  2. An absolutely beautiful write-up by Joseph Walsh! Although I do not admire Charles Manson – nothing coming from America can inspire awe in me, everything in that land is devoid of hope and full to the brim with money and/or pursuit of it.

    I want to remind everybody that it was my comment that prompted César to limit further discussion – I raised a certain point against the
    utility of decrying the destruction of NS Germany. In my mind, both that desolation and its importance are ridiculously exaggerated on this
    blog. 8 mil. Germans vs 27 mil. Soviets?

    WW2 was unjust, misguided and half-irrelevant – Hitler attacked their fellow Aryan brothers in Russia. And yet he failed to burn a single
    Judean church in Germany! All that fighting, and for what? When the White race has been dying utterly uniformly in the West – Switzerland
    and Sweden are as cucked as the hunger-stricken Netherlands and ravaged Austria. Only in the East life has been preserved for a while
    longer thanks to the fact that Bolshevism is a more archaic and thus tamer poison. I’m in love with geopolitics, but this very blog has
    taught me the importance of culture/religion//ideology/axiology. WW2 was not even that fateful fight, if you disregard the Holocaust (by
    the way, I have no idea whether its denialists as as insane as the JFK and Moon landing theorists).

    Time and time again have I asked César why he considers the Gulag system in Stalinist Russian bad – no answer. Time and time again have I asked why he believes the vicious low-IQ anti-Soviet and anti-science propaganda in HBO’s Chernobyl – no answer. I understand that there
    are barely any pro-Soviet sources in the Anglosphere, but I thought the folks here are higher than the moronic American right-wingers or
    alt-right who demonstrate an immediate gag reflex at the sight of the slightest pro-communist idea.

    I am no Bolshevik myself. I fully support the fight of the SS. But any sensible person can see that the Soviet Union of 1950 was a place
    far more resembling a White ethnostate than France. Centre > East > West. The stand of Poland in 1920 was for naught – the Polish anti-
    Soviets legalised women’s rights as thoroughly as the communists of Russia!

    The greatest tragedy of 1945 was not the fall of Germany but the dissolution of the NSDAP.

    I have also posed objections against the common trope of calling capitalism materialist – I consider it the prime example of idealism. Just
    as the Nature-denying cult of Christianity, it views all humans as equal cogs of the machine whose only purpose is the production of money
    – a value as ideal as souls. I consider Marxism as misguided as anything else in this Judean environment aside from Nietzsche – how can an ideology be materialist and not Darwinian, not racist and exterminationist?

    In the past, I also irritated César greatly by showing doubt in the utility of decreasing child and animal abuse. I believe we have no reliable data to consider it good basis for constructing a new society. I would even go so far as to assume that child abuse is beneficial – my mom got the urge to leave her parents thanks to her abusive drunkard of a step-father. Whereas I see no clear life goals while having enjoyed an abuse-free childhood. Nothing of this makes sense. I don’t even want to begin about how César immediately turns into a bleeding-heart liberal when the subject is turns to child-care.

    I agree with Walsh in that we require a new ideology, reflective of our times, basked in our hatred. Personally, my heart rises when I see
    anything coming out of the DPR of Korea. Did Hitlerian Germany have songs as beautiful? Did they have a people as united? Did they hate Americans as viciously? I doubt it. Juche with sharia characteristics would be a decent alternative to the path towards certain oblivion.

    The antipode to Jerusalem is Pyongyang.

    > Now that the darkest time has already come, and that the age of treason is everywhere, it’s time for a scorched-Earth policy.

    That is true. The ideology must be as dark as 1945, for a start. The factories are still burning, the stench of corpses is in the air. The cities have never been rebuilt. The sun has never risen again. Any modern university is a death camp full of horrors worse than anything the Soviets did in 1945 – women with the rights to attain education and own property.

    About racial consciousness – I clearly remember asking whether a German-raised Afghani can ever be German around 10 years of age.

    P.S. The Jewish-bought Neo-Nazis in Ukraine and Latvia destroying Lenin’s monuments look quite a lot like the Christian barbarians and modern American liberals. If you don’t understand Russia, then don’t try to.

    • From the record of a private talk between the Prime Minister (Mr Winston Churchill) and Marshal Joseph Stalin at a dinner held on July 18, 1945, at Potsdam, Germany:

      “Marshal Stalin mentioned that Russian losses during the War had amounted to five million killed and missing. The Germans had mobilised 18 million men apart from industry, and the Russians 12 million.”

      Source: Record taken by Major Birse, the British interpreter, in Public Record Office file PREM.3/430/8, at page 11; quoted by David Irving in vol. iii of his monumental biography, Churchill’s War.

    • @AdunaiLeVierte,

      You have consistently made Biased Pro-Russian Statements and Narratives in many of your comments.

      How the hell in one breath can you accuse Hitler of going to war against an Aryan Brother, and then in another breath you claim that you support the SS!?

      It wasn’t Hitler’s choice to go to war against the Soviets, they were using Poland as a gateway along with the pact to gain a foothold on the Eastern Front to attack Germany in this manner, and partly was the case because of Churchill in his Bribery he made behind the scenes with Stalin. Because Stalin, at some points, did consider the positive benefits of non-aggression with Hitler aside from pragmatic reasons.

      In fact, the reasons for Hitler’s invasion into Russia were basically similar to same reasons and due to the unfinished business from the reasoning behind why Kaiser Wilhelm also had to go to war against them, and Russia was swift to make an alliance with France in WW1, and we all know that France always is the lapdog of England and her wars.

      On the racial issue concerning Russians, they are not entirely European, and whatever European Blood they do have came from the Vikings and Varangians because they pleaded to have them in many centuries ago to establish Order of some kind, which is how Russia actually became established in Modern History. Russia, is an odd and unique nation in that respect. That being said, they are Eurasians… A small minority of them have some blood relations to the Celts.

      Also, Jews do not have churches, FYI… They are synagogues.

      It seems most of your information pertaining to National Socialism are on a very sweeping basis and are on the basis of trying to appeal and make common cause.

      It also puzzles me that you seem so Pro-Russia but agree with the Anti-Christian stance, when historically the Slavs never built anything for themselves but have had to establish their history on the basis of their religion. The Slavs lack a sense of unity or ability to be disciplined and truthful, and the only thing they choose to live for and give them hope and also their ability to ride through revisionist history has been their Orthodox Church.

      Whether it was with the Tsar or the Communists, they were always brutal, and Russia never EVER permitted any country they had jurisdiction over to have any sense of autonomy, and they always sought for stealing land and buildings, and even have a history of tearing and destroying infrastructure, such as how they did in countries like Poland, Ukraine, Romania, Armenia and even Germany after the war.

      To this day, the conflicts in countries like Romania, Ukraine and Poland are still very vibrant in the memories of people who endured the Soviet Terror, and that is why these Nations are still in conflict with Pro-Russian movements or the idea of being taken up under Russia’s wing.

      I believe a lot of your misgivings are rooted in the confusion of racial characteristics rather than National ones… Especially in terms of when it comes to the Slavic issue. That and to understand the complexity of Germany vs. Russia’s bad historical relations which date long before the arrival of the NSDAP. But of course the only next logical question for me to ask is…

      Are you Russian or what?

      • He seems to be living in Ukraine; not sure about his ethnicity.

      • > Biased Pro-Russian Statements

        I am a Russophobe. I wish Russia died in a nuclear fire. Russia is the original Christian melting pot hateful of true Europe.

        But Europe is dead, and the last sparks of the Faustian spirit can be found in places such as Russia or Malaysia.

        > It wasn’t Hitler’s choice to go to war against the Soviets

        César himself believes Barbarossa to have been a failure and something a second consul should have prevented.

        > the unfinished business from the reasoning behind why Kaiser Wilhelm also had to go to war against them

        Exactly – boring imperialism. I’m not against imperialism per se – I’m against it when your nation is at its death throes, and you’re arguing with your neighbours over trivialities such as Danzig or Baku.

        > A small minority of them have some blood relations to the Celts.

        Vikings, Celts… Have you forgotten that most of East Slavs’ blood comes from Slavs? I’m not saying the Slavs are the pinnacle of Nordicity, but still.

        Also, here a typical Ukrainian would be frothing at his mouth and arguing over the semantics of Russia. I’m not. I hate Ukraine and their petty Jewish-paid “Neo-Nazis”.

        > Jews do not have churches

        Judean churches = Cristian churches. A poetic metaphor.

        > you seem so Pro-Russia but agree with the Anti-Christian stance, when historically the Slavs never built anything for themselves but have had to establish their history on the basis of their religion.

        The only things I respect about Russia are their space rockets and anti-homosexualism. Germanics have built a lot of Judean churches, that is true. Quite a hassle to burn them all.

        > and even have a history of tearing and destroying infrastructure, such as how they did in countries like Poland, Ukraine, Romania, Armenia and even Germany after the war.

        I’m not sure. Soviets have built a lot of “schools, kindergartens and hospitals”. And factories.

        > are still very vibrant in the memories of people who endured the Soviet Terror

        Which Terror? Legitimate question. The terror of negroes with White roses is far more horrific than anything those millions of Gulag prisoners ever lived through.

        This is exactly what fascinates me – how dare you badmouth the Soviet Union when the West is so much worse? I do support the SS.

        Population-wise, the SU was a successful White ethnostate. But nobody ever addresses this. Capitalists have a mental block here.

        > He seems to be living in Ukraine

        I’m a Red Ruthenian down to the sixth generation, but I almost consider myself as Ukrainian as César is Mexican. I’m one of the 307k that voted for Svoboda/Koshulinsky.

  3. James Mason saw what he wanted to in Chalrles Manson. What did he see? A White revolutionary family arrayed against non-Whites and the System.

    What did he not see? Manson’s petty motives for the murders and drug-fueled madness.

    Manson referred to himself as a mirror held up in the faces of his observers. I cannot help but notice James Mason transfixed by that mirror.

    • Exactly (in psychology it’s called projection).

      It would have been much better if he had used a better paradigm of his own time, like Bob Mathews.

      • Mason confessed that while in prison, only a Canadian Christian Identity group would respond to his literature requests. Methinks that Mansonite literature was simply more available at the time compared to Bruder Schweigen material. This paints Mason as an intelligent but highly suggestible figure.

    • The Outlaw Shaman is a reflection of his accusers because the critics of Charles Manson fail to apply the same level of scrutiny to the contaminated society (the trojan-horse of Americanism) that created an archetype such as Charles Manson; in a metaphysical sense they fail to apply the same level of scrutiny upon themselves.

      Hitler and Manson both share a similar “boogie-man” classification because the both struck a cord in the prescribed “truths” in a system of untruth. Hitler (as far as authoritarian leaders) and Manson (as far as True Crime studies) both were given a monopoly in their respective “fields” despite there being a plethora of individuals in each who committed far more atrocities than either of them could have ever fathomed. The Hierophant of Helter Skelter is demonized (despite Eurabia underway and America as Brazil 2.0), yet Jim Jones and Jonestown is underplayed because it confirms Oswald Spengler’s claim that Christianity is the grandmother of Bolshevism.

      ————-

      Excerpts from The Manson Files that will hopefully generate further discussion:

      “The Iron Cross is far and above and beyond the cross of wood”

      “World War II– when millions of people died trying to put order into the world it was covered up and lied about”

      “As the courts were hanging soldiers that did nothing but fight for and obey their country-lord-cross–the so-called winners were out of line”

      “The government of the U.S. is at war with their children and the powers of nature and God, and have grown so far above their own judgments that the Waffen SS are coming back from space left over in dreams” (Page 20, The Manson File).

      “All the churches of all the religions of the world are NOT thoughts in God’s mind. I use the word “God”. Hitler was Christ. A coming and a going. Humans need gods, gods don’t need humans.”

      “Why should I care about people who don’t care about themselves? They all want someone else to do it all for them. They all want to be “saved,” but they won’t make the first move to save themselves. They just sit around and wait for someone else to come to their rescue and save them. They’re all crying for Jesus to come back to save them. AGAIN. All I have to say is how god damn many times do they expect him to keep coming back anyway?! Every time he comes back they give him nothing but shit. He came back during the thirties in Germany and they still haven’t stopped whining about it” (Page 32, The Manson File).

      “I don’t believe the Nazis will come back in SS hats and boots; they will probably be people living in peace and harmony” (Page 29, The Manson File).

      “Hitler tried to straighten the mess out and millions were moved by him because he struck a chord in the truth. No one can book his act again … They all died knowing their cause was right … The mass of people subconsciously want to die” – (A Letter from Sandra Good, The Manson File, Page 155)

      “Where Rockwell stops, Manson begins” (unnamed female Family member, The Manson File Page 143)

      “Rose: Were you fascinated by Mussolini and Hitler?

      Manson: No. I never thought about Hitler or Mussolini that much until the district attorney had a Jewish guy in behind him helping him with this, and he kept pushing it over on me. That’s why I got a Jewish lawyer, to try to show that I was not–that cost me my life there–to show that I wasn’t pushing that madness. Then I got to looking at it. Beyond the hate of it, I got to seeing the Jews do run everything.”
      (The Manson File, Page 194):

      • As to the first paragraph—:

        The Outlaw Shaman is a reflection of his accusers because the critics of Charles Manson fail to apply the same level of scrutiny to the contaminated society (the trojan-horse of Americanism) that created an archetype such as Charles Manson…

        —it certainly doesn’t apply to old dissidents like me. Back in the 1980s, when a Mexican young man assassinated his well-respected grandparents (a big scandal in Mexico City), I loved a caricature by Naranjo in Proceso magazine:

        A female monster was hair-rising scared of watching herself (Society) on the mirror. I even remember the words at the footnote of that caricature of the 80s: El horroroso nieto horrorizó, con su horroroso asesinato, a la horrorosa sociedad’ (‘The horrifying grandson horrified, with his horrific murder, the horrific society’). Lots, lots of lols decades ago because the caricature really hit the nail about self-righteous Mexico. But again: it does not apply to dissidents like us who are really horrified about what Society is doing.

        As to the rest of your quotes, they remind me a recent comment by Robert Morgan on Unz Review about Charles Manson.

        Morgan completely forgets that the artificial parallels he advances between Hitler and Manson could be artificially constructed with any notable genius vis-a-vis any serial killer. Those who debunk conspiracy theories are fond of inventing such parallels to make the point that it is very easy to construct such parallels.

        For example, when I attended the CSI conference about the JFK assassination, mentioned in the other thread, the speaker presented us a mock parallel biography between John F. Kennedy—and Mexican Alvaro Obregón! Of course: there were lots of lols among the audience in Seattle.

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  5. He is a meaningless quirk, a media-created cult leader.


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